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		<title>Talk:Starvation</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;174.252.146.214: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Tad underpowered? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this is a decent spell, but after referencing the following spells:&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/flameStrike.htm Flamestrike]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Touch_of_Fatigue Touch of Fatigue] (level 0 wiz spell)&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/poison.htm Poison] (fortitude save Drd 3)&lt;br /&gt;
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This does seem slightly underpowered to me. Fortitude save spells are definitely handy to have on hand sometimes, but I&#039;d love to see this spell at least make the damage and fatigue rolls as separate Fort saves (perhaps with fatigue triggering a round later or something). I dunno-- trying to think of when this would be memorized over Poison or Flamestrike and it feels like it needs a little more to make it compelling for a 4th level spot. You (or the creator of the spell) might have had a particular balancing reason to have it as so, but just my $.02.&lt;br /&gt;
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-[[User:Mattie|Mattie]] 15:40, 12 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: You would use this over, say, flame strike or poison because this spell is specifically nonlethal and deals nonlethal damage. -gm&lt;br /&gt;
::More of a niche spell, then. Jones is right in that there are precious few non-lethal spells, although in terms of numbers, Starvation is definitely lacking.-[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Well, plus a status effector! -gm&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Also, as a fort save, it cannot be &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;evaded&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;.  -gm&lt;br /&gt;
::: Good point, I missed nonlethal as being a handy differentiator. I do think it would be a slicker spell if there were two fort saves instead of one, though. -[[User:Mattie|Mattie]] 16:48, 12 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Generally speaking, spells only ever generate one save of a given type. Most spells that require multi-saves, like LE&#039;s new trump card, require saves from two different columns. -gm&lt;br /&gt;
::::: Poison being an exception (fort save for each tick). -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: that&#039;s only sort of an exception... poison spell poisons you, and all posions require onset and latent saves.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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