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Yeah, good job all around. I like having a lot of stuff left as
unknowns. I'm impressed, with Steros as well. I'll put some WoT up on
the blank sections later. Maybe try to have it filled out by the end
of break, if I decide to drink a lot of coffee and not get school work
done. Good chance of that much, at least, wiki or no wiki. I'm looking
forward to diving into Mikos and Mythrian, who are sort of my favorite
characters out of the mythology. Probably because, influence and
creation wise, they're a 90/10 split in my direction instead of yours
and bobs. (Oh, and C's, as well. Didn't she have a half elven kid she
trained as a bodyguard or something? Maybe twins?) More Mythrian,
actually, since I find his ultimate tragedy the most compelling.
Namely, he never liked Alexandria growing up. She was sort of an
outsider and aloof and quiet, and the just never kenned. It makes
sense that he'd never really grew to like her. He was two years older,
and male, and sort of the all-around athletic, personable, and martial
one but ended up having her call the shots. She gets just sort of
touch of fated into this huge destiny, and wanders off to mysterious
places while Mythrian and Steros spend 10 years doing the grunt work
of winning a religious civil war and forging a nation out of city
states. To say nothing that, after ten years of working closely with
Steros, the old man jumps right back behind Alexandria once she comes
back. She gets to be queen of everything and, compared to becoming a
literal godhead, his own destiny comes along (recovering the Hammer of
the Eight and his dragon mount) as a small thing - a footnote in
someone else's grand adventure. Not to mention that, while Steros and
Mythrian were both Lawful Good, Alexandria was not - she was Lawful
Neutral. I imagine Steros always erred on the side of lawful (in that
he enjoyed enforcing laws) while Mythrian trended toward the good. I
can imagine him as being uncomfortable being called on to build a
religion around someone who he was always somewhat skeptical of
morally. (And never being able to show that feeling, for fear of
damaging legitimacy)

Not to say that he always felt that way at the time, necessarily, or
felt it in a bitter way, but thinking again about the longest time of
their lives being the poltiical and administraive part: all of these
complicated feelings, then he gets to watch his adopted dad build a
literal religion around this girl, then has to continue it himself!

Ha, that's true. I remember them being sort of warderish rip off
bodyguard types, I like the idea that she really didn't have an
attachment to them other than material. It'll be interesting to
explore that characters personality, since I don't remember there
being a strong one at the time. I like the snobby idea, actually,
although I'd think of it more as a critical lack of empathy. I mean,
just comparing lifespans, an elf's relationship with a human would be
like a humans relationship to a dog or cat. It is literally incapable
of thinking on the same frame of reference as you. It's also
interesting to me in that all of the orphans grew up knowing each
other, so from a point of view of these "lesser" characters, how do
they feel about being press ganged into being a lifetime bodyguard for
someone they are maybe ambivilant about? I'm thinking that, regardless
of their feelings, both of them probably ended up going overseas with
Alexandria on the pilgrimage. (If they were both there? I think that
Marwynn came back by then.)

Dadtim. Ha. As I remember, Curtis' dwarf wasn't brought in with a
prophecy hook. He came a session late or something, so his hook was
independent but related: his nephew, who he was a frequent
correspondent with after the death of the young lad's father, went
missing. Dadtim showed up to investigate. I know curtis quit because
he didn't like the setting (he was all about 7th sea which had direct
historical connections he could make), but I imagine Dadtim just being
sort of increasingly exasperated with all the religious nuttery and
hairbrained adventures his nephew insists in taking part in, despite
all good sense. I tihnk he probably just eventually decided the kid
was old enough to make his own choices, and was clearly capable of
taking care of himself, and just went home. So, yeah, kind of a prick,
but also in the way that he's sort of an interested bystander who gets
swept up in someone else's prophecy epic. He's not terribly vested in
the whole campaign.

Also: finished Steros and Antioch. It's long and ugly, enjoy and feel
free to polish.

Yeah, that is a pretty interesting take. Considering her returm to
basically rule over the beginning of long elven withdrawl and decline
makes an interesting contrast and even possible tragedy. (Is she
ruling out of a sense of responsibility or retreating because ennui
caught up with her after a life of grief and loss and violence?) Elven
involvement would be a lot more difficult to have come by without her,
that's for sure. I've tried to occasionally drop secondary characters
in wiki entries and throwing brackets around them, to try and build up
a stable of secondary people that can be flushed out or expanded on
later as needed. Feel free to do the same, especially since there are
plenty of orphans to have killed off or switch sides as a matter of
pathos and conflict. Having them get killed off is a not bad outcome,
especially considering they all go through a 10 year civil war. It's
morally interesting to me, as well: you rescue these kids, then agree
to raise them after their lives are wiped out, and you do some - only
to raise them to be something that will almost certainly get them
killed. How did everyone feel about that, or how did it make those
kids feel as their childhood friends started getting wiped out because
of this whole religious crusade thing. thoughts to ponder.

Eh, you might be right about distant, dispassionate authority figures,
especially in regards to Antioch (old world). I don't really view the
stable as being all of them distant and dispassionate. I've tried to
mostly make them have some sort of growth and develoment, but sort of
operated under the theory that all of these people who spent their
lives dedicated to Some Greater Cause did so at the expense of
"normal" socialization and interaction. Compassionate? Hmm. . . Well,
let's see
.
Antioch: Started out, actually, as a rogue who UMDed his way after a
lifetime of study into unlocking an Oblisk, which then bestowed on him
huge arcane power, but only within a certain distance from the tower.
That was, in fact, why he made his sword have a Sorcerer personality:
so he could cast spells "on the road". His primary motivation was
always intellectual - to study his nature and abilities, as well as
the prophecies. In that sense, he would have given two shits about the
actual administration of state, as state only existed as an entity to
further his research. It makes sense he'd be a disengaged ruler,
leaving things to ministers and burrowcrats. If we're going to try to
classify people by theme, his biggest, I think, is a sort of humanist
arrogance.

Mythrian: Is hardly distant, but I think his theme is that of
responsibility. He toils to build a church dedicated to someone he
never really personally got along with, yet for whom he continually
sacrificed a great deal (including the last good dragon), both in
combat and in peace, for his whole life, because it was the legacy of
his adopted father and because he's essentially a good person who
realizes it's the best way to promote common welfare and rebuild. He's
set up the rules for arch-wardens and established a lot of the *long
term* structures of the church. There's a good chance he was involved
in an affair with Marwynn, which also doesn't strike me as
dispassionate?

Steros: I think is a little more chase and aloof, but he's a much more
intense guy all around. I see him as being sort of an Architect: He
started out dealing in small time vengence, but grew to realize
threats to civil society were far greater than exacting retribution
for petty crimes, and ultimately the power of organizations best
promoted law, order, and stability. He's always been about "justice",
in one form or another, developing from the local to the global level.
He's a powerful, forceful, ambitious figure from an early age, and his
actual accomplishments outrun even his ambition early on. (It's one
thing to want to be President, it's another to grow up to be literally
God's Right Hand.) IF you think about it, he's the story of the
Establishment Man. He grows up in the church, gets in good with the
Powers the Be, learns adminstration from the ground level, and is
assigned ever growing areas of responsibility until finally he's on
the right side of a World War and, essentially, in Churchill's seat
drawing up the new order. Except there's no Stalin, even.

The elves are dying off. They cannot help but be aloof, it is a lesson
hard learned for them, and the only way to grow - intermarrying with
humans - would destroy them in a more profound way, not to mention the
demographics of that relationship have never been peaceful.

Well, I guess... where is the ambivilence in those you mentioned, and
better yet - what form would a contrasting character to that take?
There are still significant names left to be imprinted with
personality. Kivan, for example, is probably sort of misanthropic
outright, but I think for sure Dadtim Jr. is a very, for lack of a
better word, "human" character. I think his feelings for her were the
truest, all things considered, as he was really her only friend
before Tragidore, and never abandoned her, right down to the
explosion.

Yeah, add whatever flavor you want. A tarrot would be an interesting
idea. Unsolicited input: If you plan on having suits, I'd consider
that the church organzation has a martial origin and ultimately a
martial organization and also that suit symbology should be something
that is easy to write: one or two strokes maximum. One question to
consider is who developed the tarot arcana, and when? If it came from
a church background, then it would make sense than more arcane symbols
(wands) might be replaced with something else (horses, say). If it
came from an arcane tradition, well, I guess the suit would have
different symbols.

Also: Would the images come just from the Alexandria story? From the
beginning through the alexandria story? Or even up to the recent past?
The answer will determine what images are available. Anyway, don't
forget that the Quicksilver Dragon was a female. One of the two
bodyguard twins was a girl. If you go back into pre-Alexandrian times,
there will be more wimmins, and we can always make more as prominent
anniciliary characters, especially in the murkier Prophet's War
years.

You've also got a chubby for Gnosticism. In fact, it's wrong to call
it a heresy, because heresy implies it grew out of a heterodoxy, when
in fact gnosticism existed in a tme when there was no strict
orthodoxy, and so was really just one rival claimant, essentially, for
the title. You should read some of Ehrman's books on the topic: I
recommend Lost Christianities. But, as far as applying the ideals of
gnositicism to develop some heretical traditions, go ahead. There's
already one out there - the Kelvinite Heresy - that lasted for about 5
years and got pretty big. It lines up pretty closely in the "secret
knowledge" aspect, in that it began because Redzand the Clean (Mattie)
met up with a time traveleing Bartley (Kivan) around the 10th century
after Alexandria and Kivan pointed out all the inaccuracies (as he saw
them) in the offical history. Redzand was also crazy about clean, and
so there's plenty of room for weirdo rituals. Feel free to invent your
own, as well, however, there's plenty of years to fill.

Also, if you want to think about it in historical terms, "control of
divine spellcasting ability" would be the good kept scarce by the
church in the same way "access to chuch canon" was used in the middle
ages. The funny thing is that divine power doesn't just pop into
people because they believe, but it is bestowed on a priest of
paladin (meta?)physically. Likewise, it doesnt' fall off just because
you do something "out of alignment", it has to be (meta)physically
stripped, so once a heresy generates a critical mass of believers, it
can start creating its own priests. A city made up of 25% lvl 1 shaman
would be difficult to take in a siege. But, even if heretic leaders
are taken out quickly, many low level priests could still operate,
long after the main contingent of a heresy is wiped out.

Ah, yes. If you want me to do some more thinking about Riqtello, but
I'm pretty sure she was assassinated by a disgruntled gnomes.
(Political assassination is a gnomish trademark) Possibily for
doctrinal reasons, possibly (at least in part) at fears that the
chruch would become a dynastic rather than dynamic organization. Just
as likely, or moreso, there was some sociopolitical dispute the church
got on the wrong side of. Steros is looking good, which i think will
be good for the party as well. The entries on the church and
alexandria are stubs in the extreme, so when the Steros article is
done, it will allow - for one example - the party's cleric to have
some basic understanding what her church is about.

Also, you might want to also consider having aspects of
pre-alexandrian mythology and important pre-alexandrian figures show
up on the pip cards. The One of Swords, for example, could be Tedril
Eladrith (the first murderer) or Eladrith's Blade if you wanted them
to all be items and not people. Hadrian Ubrekt, the builder of the
first empire, might be another option, or someone like Grannet
Adlethor (founder of the Travelers) if you are doing early church
history, too. If so, events like Exile of the Sidhe might have a
place in there,

As for your face cards, I don't think Kivan would make a bad Jack of
Hearts. He hasn't been mentioned much, but he was with Alexandria
right up to the end. Teldar Stoneweld was the third arch-warden,
before even Marwynn, which means he was a critical part of at least
the crusades and was a church father, for your Jack of Obelisks.

re: Elves: In Marywnn's day, the elves were an active and involved
people. They'd developed into the preeminent naval power on the
mainland by Alexandria's day, and were in a solid, centuries long
defensive alliance with Odessa. It was only after the Crusade that the
elves started to withdraw, over the course of a couple of centuries,
because they'd lost like 80+% of their (already small) population.
That's not even enough people to maintain pre-Alexandrian elven
civilization. Not to mention, considering how slowly elves must
reproduce - especially compared to humans - engagement is a loser's
game.

It's alright, though I hate having encylopedic detail on everything. I
honestly always assumed long term motivations to be beyond the scope
of a chaotic evil will. Of course, the inclusion of Shahugan kind of
makes me care less about all that. After thinking about it, I
realized the beauty of history is we can both be right. Changed and
colored accordingly. Overall, though, I think that "less is more"
really goes a long way, especially in something that was 1,400 years
ago. Muddy the waters: obfuscate as you inform. I know you're a
lovecraft and tolkien fan, but I'm ok with it having gone of out
contact once the Shahugan got it - and possibly even caused them to be
less of a presence due to internicene conflcit. (which is also a net
good, since I'm overall anti-water races is a concept). Besides, if
the item is intellegent (though I always presumed the bracers to be
sort of the brains of the BlackSuit operation), the last thing it
would want is to be constant tracked and traced. (Unlike, say, the
Bracers, which are actively more, not less, poweful when exposed, at
least to the right sort) So, I think you're right about it being a
shadow force in operation somewhere, either as an intellegent actor or
a joker-like force of general destruction, but I don't think a 1,400
year bullet point history of the thing is terribly fruitful. What is
best is that that is left to the imagination, ya?

I like the general idea about Hadrian and his assassination though.
Importantly since he was their SON, he was really the first or one of
the first leaders who didn't actively engage in the battle. In fact,
most or all such vets might actually be dead. Sort of the first
generation of running things on what you were taught instead of what
you experienced: not building a church, but inheriting an institution.
As long as there's a church father or mother around, there's someone
to look to for a solid answer. After that, it's all a little muddier.
Reasonable some sort of heresy might spring out of that as the faith
goes from dication to intepretation. You see the same thing in Islam
even quicker, like 5 leaders and one generation in, which is actually
a better example in this case as Islam, like Alexandrianism, is a top
down constructed religion from the outset.

I'l leave most of the cards to you. I don't see why it needs to be
done on the urgent priority list, and might actively improve on the
backburner, as an expanding mythology will provide more options for
cards.

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After the war between the Eight and the Dark Lord, the eight
sacrificed themselves to imprison the dark lord, vesting a portion of
their divinity into their generals and high level followers so that
humanity could have divine spellcasting (and also to act as divine
mana batteries for the coming Omnity, but the demi-pantheon did not
realize that part). So, for a time the demi-pantheon rule as actual
people on earth, which turns out to be a complete disaster, as you
could imagine. (Take the kings AND sages of the earth, give them
divine powers and immortality, and imagine what kind of havoc goes
down). To say nothing of the fucking, greek mythology style, with
predictable results insofar as having half-divine bastard children
running amok. Finally, when a couple of dwarves actually ASSASSINATED
one of the Demi-Pantheon and grabbed his powers, they realized being
directly involved in the world was a huge hassle. A large majority
decided to vacate the realm of earth and go occupy the now vacant
heavens. (Forcing the minority to go along with them. Including the
two usurpers) As a note, the heavens were a bit of a fixer-upper, as
it was heavily damaged in the war. In fact, most contemporary
paintings of Alexandria place her among sort of gigantic ruins rather
than an oppulent city, usually in dwarven or ancient Ubrekti style.

From that point on, the gods made it impossible for them to interact
with the material world except through the their child prophets. This,
obviously, helped Alexandria enormously since they could only sit by
and watch as she took their powers and caused their ends. So, a major
enough event I think, and with enough possible imagery and symbology
that you can apply some meanings to it in that context.

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In order to address concerns that the leadership of the church might
become unhealthily dynastic (though dynastic itself was not seen as a
problem), Mythrian created the Stone Warden, a magical statue that
took the form of whoever the previous Arch-Warden was. It is loaded
with divination/obscurement magic. The Arch-Warden tells the statue in
confidence who the successor to the church will be. When he dies, the
Warden reveals the successor. All of the Church Wardens (who are in
one way or another hand picked by an Arch-Warden) may tell the statue
Yay or Nay. If too large a percentage nays, the Statue asks for a roll
call opinion, taking the person with plurality. It also means that the
"heir apparent" can be left secret and changed at any time.

This worked well enough until a quirk of fate. The Arch-Warden's
choice died several days earlier during the same event as the
Arch-Warden. Since the trigger for the roll call vote happened after
the reveal of the heir, which was an null string. It took a LOT of
magical research and hacking to work that bug out. Paggnellot
Hargadramd, the gnome woman in charge of the project was eventually
elected by a strong plurality after it was fixed.

The first time the Nay vote actually went off triggered the second
interregnum, which was a much longer and bloody affair. Thardar
Speaker died and his choice was revealed to be Handen Hand, a not
particularly beloved Halfling. Chicanary was suspected, or at least
accused, and the vote went off. The pluralities were all so marginal
the Stone Warden would not accept them, and soon the divisions became
violent. An eleven year civil war ensued, beginning as thirteen
factions that eventually whittled itself down to three: those that
supported Hand (Hakan and the Gnomes and Gildenhome), those that
supported Marrwyn Sablehand (a half-elf supported by Odessa and
Alexia), and those that supported Landrik Thale (A human supported by
Flannary and Celestia. Fresia during this time was plagued with
internal war, as each prince favored different factions.). Since the
Stone Warden required the living wardens all to be present for the
vote, they had to be subdued or killed. Finally, the Cadrick faction
allied with the Sablehand faction to beat out the Hands. Sablehand was
annoitned, which ended the interregnum but not quite the war. The
Thale faction was heavily favored in the new appointments (since many
wardenships had been vacated by death), though when she finally bore a
son later in life she granted him the arch-wardenship.

(which he only held for a couple of weeks, due to a plot by the
grandson of Handen, Ratnot Hand that led to another church crisis, but
that's a different story. Marwynn herself was Arch-Warden for over 100
years.)

Since the Second Interregnum, also, the statue no longer morphs to
represent whoever last held the post. Instead, it seems to be an
amalgamation of all the people that have ever held the post. (When one
dies, the statue changes subtily yet perceptiably) This has led to it
appearing to be a rather disconcerting figure.

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I think it works best if Flannary took the territories that are now Fresia
and Hakan with it, then Fresia broke from Flannary, it would also further
cement the emnity between the two, which is supposed to be the most venomous
on the mainland. I would say that Hakan remained a Ubrekti holding until the
end, however, which would explain why Hakan was also it's own human kingdom,
and why that nationality was descended from Ubrekti. (based on the langauge
tree) I expect the initial break was something along the lines of the
East/West split in the Roman Empire - initially for management purposes that
quickly grew to conflict. (After all, flannari is a branch of ubrekti - so
the split was between close, not diverse, groups. It also explains why the
Flannari got so much land, as well as why they consider themselves an
ancient culture (like the Greek/Byzantine/Classical connection)

# Ubrekti Empire unifies all of the mainland except for Gildenhome, Petara,
and the Elven Lands (Alexia).
# Is divided into two administrative halves.
# Civil War! Ubrekti Empire, Flanari Empire. (Hakan is kept by Ubrekti as
colony to trade with dwarves.
# Fresian states break from Flannary.
# Odessa Break from Ubrekti
# Ubrekt finally lose hold of Hakan (the two connected, perhaps, by some
ancient and powerful waygate?), the final dynasty colapses, and the
government is restructured by the prophetess of the Goddess of Peace, the
followers of whom inherrit the remaining territories (what is now Ubrekt)

This was all before reading the thing you wrote, so we can synthethise as
needed, though mine is at least BACKED IN RESEARCH!

ALSO:
Slavery in the Mainland: Petarans and Dwarves (who force kobold and goblin
slaves harvested from the Scar to do their agriculture for them)

Hakan was originally a Gnomish state, conquered by Ubrekt. They paid off the
dwarves to assimilate the gnomish refugees, and colononized the shit out of
it. (The origins of the Hakni humans) Perhaps Hakan is the only source of
some ore, so Ubrekt kept some of it after the split and civil war. The
Western Ubrekti probably helped the Fresian uprising, so if anything their
control of Hakni territories became firmer after that split, not le so.

Dwarves use kobolds and goblins coerrced by force.

Petarans use a weird sort of religious servitude where they capture people
in the Ulan then basically say Convert and you don't have to be a slave! OH,
and to prove you mean it, you have to work faitfully for 10 years after
declaring your conversion. (Course, then your master has to buy you some
expensive crap and set you free.)

Well, good point. I teach the kids that Feudalism is the political system,
It deals with the relations of power between the king and the aristocracy.
It is highly decentralized : it is based on direct loyalty to whoever pays
your tab, rather than to "the crown" or "the nation". Manorialism is the
economic system - the production and distribution of good. It deals with the
relationship between landed nobility and the peasantry. Though, since land
is the real currency of feudalism, the two are highly related.

Fresia is good for a few things besides beer. Fresian craftswork, like shoes
and tools and chairs and stuff, is all really top notch because the guild
system in Fresia is quite strong, even though the political ties are weak.
Also, they have a lot of raw materials from mines in the mountains, as well
as timber from their lots and lots of forests. So, yeah, right along the
line of what you were thinking. I like the idea of odessan tropical wood
bows being the key to their longbow dominance, and if anything I think
Fresians are going to be more about axes. (They probably make great Tools
That Are Also Weapons - knives, hammers, axes)

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The short of the whole Divine Blooded thing:

After the First War (between the Eight Makers and the Dark Lord), several (a
few dozen) of the major generals and aides-de-camp of the Eight were
elevated to demigodhood to manage divine power. This was the original game
world from college that ended up being wrecked as the climax of the
Alexandria campaign with a standard decentralized pantheon of multiple gods
dedicated to specific spheres of influence.

For a time, they resided on the material plane and managed things directly.
They also did normal stuff like sleep around and cause drama, as one can
only imagine when a few dozen people are elevated to ultimate power that all
know each other but may or may nor get along. Reality TV stuff. So, they
eventually withdrew from the world and put back up the barrier established
by the Eight. (But, of course, being made by something greater than them,
they couldn't pull it back down again, and so could only watch helplessly as
Alexandria stole their power and live) So, during that time, there were
several half-human/half-divine babies, many of whom ended up founding cities
- ancient greek myth style. Lots of them were extingished, but several are
still active and demonstrable - the Flannary is one, the Odessan is another.
(The Odessan throne ALSO has ties to Elven nobility through the same line -
the goddess of Love, who was of Elven derivation as a mortal)

Hadrian was one of those, tied to the god of War. (Go Figure.) He and his
descendents forged all of the Human nations (plus Gnomish and Halfling
territory) into the Ubrekti Empire. His line was extinguished during the
last War of Fracture.

The house of Veromii was probably a cousin line to the Ubrekt - which became
a title passed between the titualar family heads of oligarch families
descended from Hadrian - more than a family name proper. I'd say that the
Ubrekt was a dynastic line for only a few generations before it became more
of a military head, while the military proper would be dominated by
Hadrian's extended family, including those who were "adopted in" during the
early campaigns. Veromii probably was one such adopted line.

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Hahaha, nice! It's funny, forgot Germaine was Fresian. I wonder if on the
very borderest areas of the two (which you may or may not be from), if the
people aren't sort of ambivilent about both sides, if they're basically
getting the honor of hosting a battleground between two perpetually waring
states, for their own ostensible benefit.

http://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Marrwyn_Collar

There is actually a list of universities with origin dates :

http://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=List_of_Universities

Most are quite old by this time, yes, at least 1000 years. When founded, the
earliest at least, all tended to have very focused specialties, that
eventually grew into the more full blown campuses that we have in the
present. Even the youngest (Dwarven) was founded ~500, which would have been
900 years before present campaign time. The first of the modern string of
Universities was Antioch's University of Hakan, which he founded after
unlocking the Obelisk, in order to study it's properties and magic in
general. (His greatest secret : he was a ROGUE who used UMD to "hack into"
an obelisk*, then needed to learn arcane magic PDQ after the fact to
maintain his position as "Sorcerer King." He eventually did, of course,
become a legitimate Arch-Mage in his own right)

It showed a lot of success over the first half century, and inspired by
their example, the High Preistess of Ubrekt established the University of
Ubkret, which was initially oriented more historical and sagecraft,
particularly into Ubrekti Empire and associated things (The pre-Demipantheon
world). Flannary started one about 50 years after that, which from its
origins was far more expansive in scope and focus.

The Petrans, perhaps independently, though probably not, set up a school in
75 BI for the purposes of warcraft (naval and land based), and 50 years
later, followed up by establishing one dedicated to Art (Arcane and Mundane)
and Philosophy (which would later grow into a school of divinitry, as well,
once Divine magic was practiced there).

So, I guess universities can be divided into "Pre-Alexandrian" (Those listed
above - the oldest, most storied, and most prestigious. Except for Petra,
maybe, because they're all morons and we all hate them.) and "Alexandrian",
which were formed as part of the religious unification plan drawn up by the
Second Stand - so all the Alexandrian school started out at first as
religious schools that later developed into other areas, whereas the PA one
started out with some other focus and later had a religious aspect grafted
onto it. (In the Case of the University of Hakan, the "graft" did not take
well at all. They are a pretty secular society.)

* This is why his own powers with the Obelisk were so miniscule compared to
Marrwyn, who opened hers the "correct" way (by being the correct race and
class, plus knowhow). Antioch could level armies 50 miles from an obelisk,
Marwynn could wipe out regions 200 miles away.

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	This is shit [[Germain]] dug up about [[Wydmoor Free City]] before he moved to the city to decide which camps to try to ally with.		This is shit [[Germain]] dug up about [[Wydmoor Free City]] before he moved to the city to decide which camps to try to ally with. Its worth noting that DM apologized about how '''short''' this was!

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