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Msallen at 23:57, 28 February 2013

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	I think 1 and 2 are the fairest and most in line with the intention--they help ~~bard~~ efficiency, but do not help with feat efficiency, and do not hurt special class skills. Is there a GM opinion? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		I think 1 and 2 are the fairest and most in line with the intention--they help skill efficiency, but do not help with feat efficiency, and do not hurt special class skills. Is there a GM opinion? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

Msallen at 23:57, 28 February 2013

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	\| 2 \|\| ranks, class skill, stat \|\| feats, class buffs, situational \|\| stat seems to be a reasonable inclusion, but is a little more powerful since you can sub cha for other weaker stats		\| 2 \|\| ranks, class skill, stat \|\| feats, class buffs, situational \|\| stat seems to be a reasonable inclusion, but is a little more powerful since you can sub cha for other weaker stats
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	\| 3 \|\| ranks, class skill, stat, feats \|\| class buffs, situational \|\| you can focus on perform buff feats and ~~reduce~~ feat eficiency, although perform has a few less feat options		\| 3 \|\| ranks, class skill, stat, feats \|\| class buffs, situational \|\| you can focus on perform buff feats and increase feat eficiency, which seems more powerful, although perform has a few less feat options so you cap out lower
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	\| 4 \|\| ranks, class skill, stat, feats, class buffs \|\| situational \|\| situational should never be subbed (this would mean using dance/acrobatics substitution in heavy armor with no penalty) but class buffs (like inquisitor's stern gaze, master spy's art of deception) seem special enough that they should be retained, and there is no perform class buff so this hurts a lot of prestige classes that are natural for a bard		\| 4 \|\| ranks, class skill, stat, feats, class buffs \|\| situational \|\| situational should never be subbed (this would mean using dance/acrobatics substitution in heavy armor with no penalty) but class buffs (like inquisitor's stern gaze, master spy's art of deception) seem special enough that they should be retained, and there is no perform class buff so this hurts a lot of prestige classes that are natural for a bard

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Created page with "Regarding PF bards, this [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard#TOC-Versatile-Performance-Ex- versatile performance] seems to be a big source of confusion because the..."

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Regarding PF bards, this [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard#TOC-Versatile-Performance-Ex- versatile performance] seems to be a big source of confusion because the rules as written don't use well-defined or clear terms. The crux of the issue is, when you sub your perform for a skill, which bonuses/penalties for the subbed skill apply? James Jacobs weighs in [http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jw28?Rules-Clarification-Bardic-Versatile-Performance here], but I don't think he really sheds light on the issue, and he provides both opinions and rules readings. Since PF Germ is likely to be a bard, I think we should make a quick house rule. Here are the possible implementations of what gets subbed:

{| class="wikitable"
| option || subbed || not subbed || notes
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| 1 || ranks, class skill || stat, feats, class buffs, situational || ranks and class skills seemed to be the minimum that is covered from the RAW
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| 2 || ranks, class skill, stat || feats, class buffs, situational || stat seems to be a reasonable inclusion, but is a little more powerful since you can sub cha for other weaker stats
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| 3 || ranks, class skill, stat, feats || class buffs, situational || you can focus on perform buff feats and reduce feat eficiency, although perform has a few less feat options
|-
| 4 || ranks, class skill, stat, feats, class buffs || situational || situational should never be subbed (this would mean using dance/acrobatics substitution in heavy armor with no penalty) but class buffs (like inquisitor's stern gaze, master spy's art of deception) seem special enough that they should be retained, and there is no perform class buff so this hurts a lot of prestige classes that are natural for a bard
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I think 1 and 2 are the fairest and most in line with the intention--they help bard efficiency, but do not help with feat efficiency, and do not hurt special class skills. Is there a GM opinion? --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]