Talk:Deific Vengeance - Revision history

96.4.63.22 at 16:34, 8 April 2011

2011-04-08T16:34:15Z

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	::::::: To clarify, the minor experience cost was a suggestion for nerfing war spells like [[Summon Pack/Herd]] and [[Undead Legion]] (which have 30-minute casting times). It's not about Deific Vengeance. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		::::::: To clarify, the minor experience cost was a suggestion for nerfing war spells like [[Summon Pack/Herd]] and [[Undead Legion]] (which have 30-minute casting times). It's not about Deific Vengeance. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	:::::::: Oh, ok. That's a different animal. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:::::::: Oh, ok. That's a different animal. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			::::::::: I see what you did there. -gm

Slitherrr at 15:39, 8 April 2011

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	:::::: Also, 30-minute casting time? Wha? The description I see here says 1 standard action.[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:::::: Also, 30-minute casting time? Wha? The description I see here says 1 standard action.[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
	::::::: To clarify, the minor experience cost was a suggestion for nerfing war spells like [[Summon Pack/Herd]] and [[Undead Legion]] (which have 30-minute casting times). It's not about Deific Vengeance. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		::::::: To clarify, the minor experience cost was a suggestion for nerfing war spells like [[Summon Pack/Herd]] and [[Undead Legion]] (which have 30-minute casting times). It's not about Deific Vengeance. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			:::::::: Oh, ok. That's a different animal. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]

Mattie: Summon Herd clarif. (also removing some old discussion from this page)

2011-04-08T13:14:40Z

Summon Herd clarif. (also removing some old discussion from this page)

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 Now you must make a template for new domains and add the purification domain. Such is the cost of approval. ;) -gm
+: Will do! -[[User:Mattie|Mattie]]
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 :::::: The curtain comment disappeared, in what appears to be an edit-kill (edit-killing yourself??), but of course nothing costs for the NPCs--that was part of my point. Some things cost PCs more than others, however, and while all resources in the game are finite and have an effect on PC power, XPs relationship is more direct than others, and XP is more finite (in games without achievements). There are a few specific instances where XP cost is used in 3.5e, all of which have permanent or semi-permanent effects, for this reason, and it seems like adding XP to the opportunity cost of a spell is asking a lot, especially since that opportunity cost has to be taken in advance (by being memorized as a cleric, or by taking up a spell slot as a favored soul). NPCs, as I mentioned, have none of these restrictions.
 :::::: Also, 30-minute casting time? Wha? The description I see here says 1 standard action.[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
+::::::: To clarify, the minor experience cost was a suggestion for nerfing war spells like [[Summon Pack/Herd]] and [[Undead Legion]] (which have 30-minute casting times). It's not about Deific Vengeance. -[[User:Mattie|Mattie]]

Slitherrr at 12:37, 8 April 2011

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	:::: Minor. Experience. Cost.		:::: Minor. Experience. Cost.
	::::: Effectively no cost for NPCs, permanent level-gaining opportunity cost for PCs? Works better in this campaign with the XP-gaining achievements around, but still seems like it would either be pretty harsh or negligible with no in-between. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		::::: Effectively no cost for NPCs, permanent level-gaining opportunity cost for PCs? Works better in this campaign with the XP-gaining achievements around, but still seems like it would either be pretty harsh or negligible with no in-between. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			:::::: The curtain comment disappeared, in what appears to be an edit-kill (edit-killing yourself??), but of course nothing costs for the NPCs--that was part of my point. Some things cost PCs more than others, however, and while all resources in the game are finite and have an effect on PC power, XPs relationship is more direct than others, and XP is more finite (in games without achievements). There are a few specific instances where XP cost is used in 3.5e, all of which have permanent or semi-permanent effects, for this reason, and it seems like adding XP to the opportunity cost of a spell is asking a lot, especially since that opportunity cost has to be taken in advance (by being memorized as a cleric, or by taking up a spell slot as a favored soul). NPCs, as I mentioned, have none of these restrictions.
			:::::: Also, 30-minute casting time? Wha? The description I see here says 1 standard action.[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]


	=== Frost Breath ===		=== Frost Breath ===

Detarame at 22:13, 7 April 2011

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		Now you must make a template for new domains and add the purification domain. Such is the cost of approval. ;) -gm

Detarame at 22:11, 7 April 2011

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	~~{{Spell~~
	~~\| school=Conjuration~~
	~~\| supp=Summoning~~
	~~\| class1=Clr~~
	~~\| class1lvl=2~~
	~~\| class2=Purification~~
	~~\| class2lvl=2~~
	~~\| comp=V, S, DF~~
	~~\| casttime=1 standard action~~
	~~\| range=Close (25ft + 5ft/2 levels)~~
	~~\| tsea=t~~
	~~\| subj=One creature~~
	~~\| dur=Instantaneous~~
	~~\| save=Will Half~~
	~~\| sr=Yes~~
	\| text=You cry out to your god, enumerating transgressions and crimes of a creature and seek your deity to exact punishment on them. (Their alignment is irrelevant.) The divine might of the angry god exacts this justice in the form of an acute, divine strike on the target. This damage hits unerringly and for 1d6 points per two caster levels (maximum 5d6). For an undead target, the damage is increased to 1d6 points per caster level (max 10d6). Damage is reduced by half upon succeeding a Will saving throw.

	The caster chooses either Chaotic, Lawful, Good, or Evil as the damage type dealt by the spell during casting. The alignment chosen must be one of the character's alignments. Note that true neutral clerics cannot cast this spell.
	}}

	~~Source: Complete Divine, p161 <small>(reworded slightly, but effect is identical)</small>~~

Detarame at 22:11, 7 April 2011

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	\| text=You cry out to your god, enumerating transgressions and crimes of a creature and seek your deity to exact punishment on them. (Their alignment is irrelevant.) The divine might of the angry god exacts this justice in the form of an acute, divine strike on the target. This damage hits unerringly and for 1d6 points per two caster levels (maximum 5d6). For an undead target, the damage is increased to 1d6 points per caster level (max 10d6). Damage is reduced by half upon succeeding a Will saving throw.		\| text=You cry out to your god, enumerating transgressions and crimes of a creature and seek your deity to exact punishment on them. (Their alignment is irrelevant.) The divine might of the angry god exacts this justice in the form of an acute, divine strike on the target. This damage hits unerringly and for 1d6 points per two caster levels (maximum 5d6). For an undead target, the damage is increased to 1d6 points per caster level (max 10d6). Damage is reduced by half upon succeeding a Will saving throw.

	The caster chooses either Chaotic, Lawful, Good, or Evil as the damage type dealt by the spell. The alignment chosen must be one of the character's alignments. Note that true neutral clerics cannot cast this spell.		The caster chooses either Chaotic, Lawful, Good, or Evil as the damage type dealt by the spell during casting. The alignment chosen must be one of the character's alignments. Note that true neutral clerics cannot cast this spell.
	}}		}}

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	:::: Minor. Experience. Cost.		:::: Minor. Experience. Cost.
	::::: Effectively no cost for NPCs, permanent level-gaining opportunity cost for PCs? Works better in this campaign with the XP-gaining achievements around, but still seems like it would either be pretty harsh or negligible with no in-between. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		::::: Effectively no cost for NPCs, permanent level-gaining opportunity cost for PCs? Works better in this campaign with the XP-gaining achievements around, but still seems like it would either be pretty harsh or negligible with no in-between. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
	:::::: Eh, minor experience cost isn't obscene to me. Also: Not to pull down the curtain for you, but "effectively no cost for NPCs" pretty much describes everything, doesn't it? They didn't earn levels, any gold, or anything else. :D
	~~:::::: And, in fact, I would say that the nerf on NPCs is the 30 minute casting time. -gm~~

	=== Frost Breath ===		=== Frost Breath ===

Detarame: /* More comparison spells */

2011-04-07T22:10:12Z

More comparison spells

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	:::: Minor. Experience. Cost.		:::: Minor. Experience. Cost.
	::::: Effectively no cost for NPCs, permanent level-gaining opportunity cost for PCs? Works better in this campaign with the XP-gaining achievements around, but still seems like it would either be pretty harsh or negligible with no in-between. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		::::: Effectively no cost for NPCs, permanent level-gaining opportunity cost for PCs? Works better in this campaign with the XP-gaining achievements around, but still seems like it would either be pretty harsh or negligible with no in-between. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			:::::: Eh, minor experience cost isn't obscene to me. Also: Not to pull down the curtain for you, but "effectively no cost for NPCs" pretty much describes everything, doesn't it? They didn't earn levels, any gold, or anything else. :D
			:::::: And, in fact, I would say that the nerf on NPCs is the 30 minute casting time. -gm

	=== Frost Breath ===		=== Frost Breath ===

Mattie: Updated with wording on alignment (since I think this is now approved and can move to main page now)

2011-04-07T21:29:15Z

Updated with wording on alignment (since I think this is now approved and can move to main page now)

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	\| sr=Yes		\| sr=Yes
	\| text=You cry out to your god, enumerating transgressions and crimes of a creature and seek your deity to exact punishment on them. (Their alignment is irrelevant.) The divine might of the angry god exacts this justice in the form of an acute, divine strike on the target. This damage hits unerringly and for 1d6 points per two caster levels (maximum 5d6). For an undead target, the damage is increased to 1d6 points per caster level (max 10d6). Damage is reduced by half upon succeeding a Will saving throw.		\| text=You cry out to your god, enumerating transgressions and crimes of a creature and seek your deity to exact punishment on them. (Their alignment is irrelevant.) The divine might of the angry god exacts this justice in the form of an acute, divine strike on the target. This damage hits unerringly and for 1d6 points per two caster levels (maximum 5d6). For an undead target, the damage is increased to 1d6 points per caster level (max 10d6). Damage is reduced by half upon succeeding a Will saving throw.

			The caster chooses either Chaotic, Lawful, Good, or Evil as the damage type dealt by the spell. The alignment chosen must be one of the character's alignments. Note that true neutral clerics cannot cast this spell.
	}}		}}

96.5.63.20 at 19:11, 23 March 2011

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	::: Indeed. I'm with you on DV, too, I'm just concerned because it's the only thing I can think of that does generic damage. Not even weapon damage or slashing damage. Just "damage."		::: Indeed. I'm with you on DV, too, I'm just concerned because it's the only thing I can think of that does generic damage. Not even weapon damage or slashing damage. Just "damage."
	:::: That's easy to fix. Would it make more sense as "force" damage, or some sort of "necromantic" damage? -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:::: That's easy to fix. Would it make more sense as "force" damage, or some sort of "necromantic" damage? -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			::::: Force bypasses DR, so we can safely assume that is right out. -gm
	::::: In DDO they made it Good damage: http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Spell:Deific_Vengeance -Mattie		::::: In DDO they made it Good damage: http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Spell:Deific_Vengeance -Mattie
			:::::: Hmmm. Then only good people can use it, though. Perhaps "alignment" damage, with "alignment" being one of your two alignment types. (Chaotic, Lawful, Good, and Evil), which means a true neutral couldn't cast this. Which, you know, I'm ok with. -gm

	:: Also, ever since Herdgate back at the temple, I've thought about tagging some of the wiki spells as "Rare" or "Difficult" and require time and spellcraft checks to unlock them. Because I'm a prick, but it's probably to late to clamp close that door. -gm		:: Also, ever since Herdgate back at the temple, I've thought about tagging some of the wiki spells as "Rare" or "Difficult" and require time and spellcraft checks to unlock them. Because I'm a prick, but it's probably to late to clamp close that door. -gm

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	~~{{Spell~~
	~~\| school=Conjuration~~
	~~\| supp=Summoning~~
	~~\| class1=Clr~~
	~~\| class1lvl=2~~
	~~\| class2=Purification~~
	~~\| class2lvl=2~~
	~~\| comp=V, S, DF~~
	~~\| casttime=1 standard action~~
	~~\| range=Close (25ft + 5ft/2 levels)~~
	~~\| tsea=t~~
	~~\| subj=One creature~~
	~~\| dur=Instantaneous~~
	~~\| save=Will Half~~
	~~\| sr=Yes~~
	\| text=You cry out to your god, enumerating transgressions and crimes of a creature and seek your deity to exact punishment on them. (Their alignment is irrelevant.) The divine might of the angry god exacts this justice in the form of an acute, divine strike on the target. This damage hits unerringly and for 1d6 points per two caster levels (maximum 5d6). For an undead target, the damage is increased to 1d6 points per caster level (max 10d6). Damage is reduced by half upon succeeding a Will saving throw.

	The caster chooses either Chaotic, Lawful, Good, or Evil as the damage type dealt by the spell during casting. The alignment chosen must be one of the character's alignments. Note that true neutral clerics cannot cast this spell.
	}}

	~~Source: Complete Divine, p161 <small>(reworded slightly, but effect is identical)</small>~~