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Mattie: some comments and spell turning

2011-04-10T21:48:13Z

some comments and spell turning

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	::::: Indeed, putting it that way CHMOD in spell levels is waaaay too good, but that doesn't mean some sort of slotable permenancy option couldn't be tinkered into working. No one is playing a FS, nor will there be one in the game any time soon, nor will one reach level 17 pretty much ever, so we're still in the spitballin' part of our program. A fixed number of spell levels (3?), or even just one slot? Anyway, I just hate hate hate hate fucking wings. -gm		::::: Indeed, putting it that way CHMOD in spell levels is waaaay too good, but that doesn't mean some sort of slotable permenancy option couldn't be tinkered into working. No one is playing a FS, nor will there be one in the game any time soon, nor will one reach level 17 pretty much ever, so we're still in the spitballin' part of our program. A fixed number of spell levels (3?), or even just one slot? Anyway, I just hate hate hate hate fucking wings. -gm
	:::::: Another idea almost identical to this, you could allow them to 1/day spontaneously enhance 1 spell of 4th level or lower to act as if enhanced by the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Persistent_Spell Persistent Spell] metamagic feat. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:::::: Another idea almost identical to this, you could allow them to 1/day spontaneously enhance 1 spell of 4th level or lower to act as if enhanced by the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Persistent_Spell Persistent Spell] metamagic feat. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			::::::: Any more thoughts on the above? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	=== Deathless ===		=== Deathless ===
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	=== Airwalk + Waterwalk ===		=== Airwalk + Waterwalk ===
	A "messiah" sort of alternative to Wings would be at-will Airwalk and/or Waterwalk. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		A "messiah" sort of alternative to Wings would be at-will Airwalk and/or Waterwalk. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	: Hmm. This is cute, too. I like it.		: Hmm. This is cute, too. I like it. -gm

	=== Spell Resistance ===		=== Spell Resistance ===
	To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? (~~SR30~~ is what it would be if they cast [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellResistance.htm the spell] on themselves permanently at 17th level.) -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? (SR29 is what it would be if they cast [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellResistance.htm the spell] on themselves permanently at 17th level.) -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	: Picking up some SR wouldn't be out of the question, but 30 seems awfully high. That's only two below a great wyrm red dragon. -gm		: Picking up some SR wouldn't be out of the question, but 30 seems awfully high. That's only two below a great wyrm red dragon. -gm
			:: 30 is pretty high, indeed. It would have been SR29 with slotted permanency at 5th level, though, assuming they got full caster level. Any real SR would be cool in my book, though. Another idea related to this below. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	=== Divine Luck? ===		=== Divine Luck? ===
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	: Eh, I've seen that one and I think it's more of a domain scaled power than a 17th level closer. -gm		: Eh, I've seen that one and I think it's more of a domain scaled power than a 17th level closer. -gm
	:: Agreed. It's nice to back out of some horribly shitty rolls, but doesn't have any real pizazz. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:: Agreed. It's nice to back out of some horribly shitty rolls, but doesn't have any real pizazz. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			::: Fair enough. I'll leave this here because I think any sort of powerful-enough "divine luck" thing would be a really cool option to consider. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

			=== Spell Turning ===
			Once per day, enable [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellTurning.htm Spell Turning] (per the spell) as a standard action. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	== Divine Casters of the world ==		== Divine Casters of the world ==
	So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm		So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm

Slitherrr at 21:20, 10 April 2011

2011-04-10T21:20:25Z

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	Luck like the Luck blade gives you: ''Its possessor also gains the power of good fortune, usable once per day. This extraordinary ability allows its possessor to reroll one roll that she just made. She must take the result of the reroll, even if it’s worse than the original roll.'' Seems universally handy and pretty appropriate for a Favored Soul (but is definitely not nearly as powerful/cool as Deathless).		Luck like the Luck blade gives you: ''Its possessor also gains the power of good fortune, usable once per day. This extraordinary ability allows its possessor to reroll one roll that she just made. She must take the result of the reroll, even if it’s worse than the original roll.'' Seems universally handy and pretty appropriate for a Favored Soul (but is definitely not nearly as powerful/cool as Deathless).
	: Eh, I've seen that one and I think it's more of a domain scaled power than a 17th level closer. -gm		: Eh, I've seen that one and I think it's more of a domain scaled power than a 17th level closer. -gm
			:: Agreed. It's nice to back out of some horribly shitty rolls, but doesn't have any real pizazz. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]

	== Divine Casters of the world ==		== Divine Casters of the world ==
	So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm		So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm

Detarame at 19:11, 10 April 2011

2011-04-10T19:11:38Z

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	=== Airwalk + Waterwalk ===		=== Airwalk + Waterwalk ===
	A "messiah" sort of alternative to Wings would be at-will Airwalk and/or Waterwalk. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		A "messiah" sort of alternative to Wings would be at-will Airwalk and/or Waterwalk. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			: Hmm. This is cute, too. I like it.

	=== Spell Resistance ===		=== Spell Resistance ===
	To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? (SR30 is what it would be if they cast [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellResistance.htm the spell] on themselves permanently at 17th level.) -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? (SR30 is what it would be if they cast [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellResistance.htm the spell] on themselves permanently at 17th level.) -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			: Picking up some SR wouldn't be out of the question, but 30 seems awfully high. That's only two below a great wyrm red dragon. -gm

	=== Divine Luck? ===		=== Divine Luck? ===
	Luck like the Luck blade gives you: ''Its possessor also gains the power of good fortune, usable once per day. This extraordinary ability allows its possessor to reroll one roll that she just made. She must take the result of the reroll, even if it’s worse than the original roll.'' Seems universally handy and pretty appropriate for a Favored Soul (but is definitely not nearly as powerful/cool as Deathless).		Luck like the Luck blade gives you: ''Its possessor also gains the power of good fortune, usable once per day. This extraordinary ability allows its possessor to reroll one roll that she just made. She must take the result of the reroll, even if it’s worse than the original roll.'' Seems universally handy and pretty appropriate for a Favored Soul (but is definitely not nearly as powerful/cool as Deathless).
			: Eh, I've seen that one and I think it's more of a domain scaled power than a 17th level closer. -gm

	== Divine Casters of the world ==		== Divine Casters of the world ==
	So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm		So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm

Mattie: luck?

2011-04-10T02:46:34Z

luck?

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	=== Spell Resistance ===		=== Spell Resistance ===
	To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? (SR30 is what it would be if they cast [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellResistance.htm the spell] on themselves permanently at 17th level.) -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? (SR30 is what it would be if they cast [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellResistance.htm the spell] on themselves permanently at 17th level.) -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

			=== Divine Luck? ===
			Luck like the Luck blade gives you: ''Its possessor also gains the power of good fortune, usable once per day. This extraordinary ability allows its possessor to reroll one roll that she just made. She must take the result of the reroll, even if it’s worse than the original roll.'' Seems universally handy and pretty appropriate for a Favored Soul (but is definitely not nearly as powerful/cool as Deathless).

	== Divine Casters of the world ==		== Divine Casters of the world ==
	So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm		So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm

Mattie: /* Spell Resistance */ why 30

2011-04-10T02:43:41Z

Spell Resistance: why 30

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	=== Spell Resistance ===		=== Spell Resistance ===
	To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? (SR30 is what it would be if they cast [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellResistance.htm the spell] on themselves permanently at 17th level.) -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	== Divine Casters of the world ==		== Divine Casters of the world ==
	So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm		So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm

Mattie: suggestions: maybe day-to-day persistency? also airwaterwalk? also spellresistence?

2011-04-10T02:41:32Z

suggestions: maybe day-to-day persistency? also airwaterwalk? also spellresistence?

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	:::: Yeah, the concept is much clearer. Thanks for clarifying. As a PC, I love it. From a GM perspective, I think it's a little bent power-wise. For example, with a 20 CHA, I can pick Righteous Might (2x size, +4 str, +2 con, +2 AC, DR 9/evil) which (to me) is much better than their 20th level ability and you can alter it. If we really want to avoid risking unbalancing the class, it would be safer to aim for the same general level of power. So something in the line of Permanancy + Fly/Wiz3 (and arguably AlterSelf/Wiz2). Or maybe the abilities of a magic item similar to Wings of Flight in the 40k-60k value range. This ability (to me) feels pretty far above that level of power. As a player, it's awesome and I'd love to use it. But I feel it makes Favored Soul more powerful than originally intended (but that might be the intention). -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:::: Yeah, the concept is much clearer. Thanks for clarifying. As a PC, I love it. From a GM perspective, I think it's a little bent power-wise. For example, with a 20 CHA, I can pick Righteous Might (2x size, +4 str, +2 con, +2 AC, DR 9/evil) which (to me) is much better than their 20th level ability and you can alter it. If we really want to avoid risking unbalancing the class, it would be safer to aim for the same general level of power. So something in the line of Permanancy + Fly/Wiz3 (and arguably AlterSelf/Wiz2). Or maybe the abilities of a magic item similar to Wings of Flight in the 40k-60k value range. This ability (to me) feels pretty far above that level of power. As a player, it's awesome and I'd love to use it. But I feel it makes Favored Soul more powerful than originally intended (but that might be the intention). -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	::::: Indeed, putting it that way CHMOD in spell levels is waaaay too good, but that doesn't mean some sort of slotable permenancy option couldn't be tinkered into working. No one is playing a FS, nor will there be one in the game any time soon, nor will one reach level 17 pretty much ever, so we're still in the spitballin' part of our program. A fixed number of spell levels (3?), or even just one slot? Anyway, I just hate hate hate hate fucking wings. -gm		::::: Indeed, putting it that way CHMOD in spell levels is waaaay too good, but that doesn't mean some sort of slotable permenancy option couldn't be tinkered into working. No one is playing a FS, nor will there be one in the game any time soon, nor will one reach level 17 pretty much ever, so we're still in the spitballin' part of our program. A fixed number of spell levels (3?), or even just one slot? Anyway, I just hate hate hate hate fucking wings. -gm
			:::::: Another idea almost identical to this, you could allow them to 1/day spontaneously enhance 1 spell of 4th level or lower to act as if enhanced by the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Persistent_Spell Persistent Spell] metamagic feat. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	=== Deathless ===		=== Deathless ===
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	::: Heh, we might have an enemy that is level 17 someday, though. :) And my aim is certainly to TRY to get Mose to 17th (even if it's impossible and/or requires OOC achievements). I primarily see the Deathless ability as super-powerful in your world (and thus better than DR 10/metal) because I've come to expect that raising anything from the dead is pretty much impossible. Yet, if that doesn't seem overpowered to you then I'll assume it's due to my limited understanding of the "Veil", and the forces at work here. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		::: Heh, we might have an enemy that is level 17 someday, though. :) And my aim is certainly to TRY to get Mose to 17th (even if it's impossible and/or requires OOC achievements). I primarily see the Deathless ability as super-powerful in your world (and thus better than DR 10/metal) because I've come to expect that raising anything from the dead is pretty much impossible. Yet, if that doesn't seem overpowered to you then I'll assume it's due to my limited understanding of the "Veil", and the forces at work here. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	:::: Well, I'm worried about balancing it in rules terms. Don't worry about the metaphysics of it - Level 17 is high enough that almost no one ever gets there, and favored soul is a class that virtually doesn't exist among Alexandrians. -gm		:::: Well, I'm worried about balancing it in rules terms. Don't worry about the metaphysics of it - Level 17 is high enough that almost no one ever gets there, and favored soul is a class that virtually doesn't exist among Alexandrians. -gm

			=== Airwalk + Waterwalk ===
			A "messiah" sort of alternative to Wings would be at-will Airwalk and/or Waterwalk. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

			=== Spell Resistance ===
			To go with their defensive nature, perhaps Spell Resistance: 30? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	== Divine Casters of the world ==		== Divine Casters of the world ==
	So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm		So, Mainland has Clerics, and Petara has Favored Souls as befitting their more decentralized religion. Druids and rangers are the sole divine casters among the Sidhe, and never become favored souls, although both Druids and Favored Souls are rare but not unheard of among the Halflings. -gm

Detarame at 18:07, 9 April 2011

2011-04-09T18:07:39Z

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	::: Ok, so let's take a guy with 22 CHR, which is a +6 modifier. That would give him 6 spell levels worth of spells he can use a ritual to make affect himself with permanent duration. So, maybe Bull's Strength (2), Bear's Endurance (2), and Eagle's Splendor (2). Or, sanctuary (1), Deathwatch (1) and Freedom of Movement (4). These spells would be able to be swapped out via some ritual. I'm sure this is a very messy way of demonstrating something you could probably explain much more simply, but is the concept more clear now? -gm		::: Ok, so let's take a guy with 22 CHR, which is a +6 modifier. That would give him 6 spell levels worth of spells he can use a ritual to make affect himself with permanent duration. So, maybe Bull's Strength (2), Bear's Endurance (2), and Eagle's Splendor (2). Or, sanctuary (1), Deathwatch (1) and Freedom of Movement (4). These spells would be able to be swapped out via some ritual. I'm sure this is a very messy way of demonstrating something you could probably explain much more simply, but is the concept more clear now? -gm
	:::: Yeah, the concept is much clearer. Thanks for clarifying. As a PC, I love it. From a GM perspective, I think it's a little bent power-wise. For example, with a 20 CHA, I can pick Righteous Might (2x size, +4 str, +2 con, +2 AC, DR 9/evil) which (to me) is much better than their 20th level ability and you can alter it. If we really want to avoid risking unbalancing the class, it would be safer to aim for the same general level of power. So something in the line of Permanancy + Fly/Wiz3 (and arguably AlterSelf/Wiz2). Or maybe the abilities of a magic item similar to Wings of Flight in the 40k-60k value range. This ability (to me) feels pretty far above that level of power. As a player, it's awesome and I'd love to use it. But I feel it makes Favored Soul more powerful than originally intended (but that might be the intention). -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:::: Yeah, the concept is much clearer. Thanks for clarifying. As a PC, I love it. From a GM perspective, I think it's a little bent power-wise. For example, with a 20 CHA, I can pick Righteous Might (2x size, +4 str, +2 con, +2 AC, DR 9/evil) which (to me) is much better than their 20th level ability and you can alter it. If we really want to avoid risking unbalancing the class, it would be safer to aim for the same general level of power. So something in the line of Permanancy + Fly/Wiz3 (and arguably AlterSelf/Wiz2). Or maybe the abilities of a magic item similar to Wings of Flight in the 40k-60k value range. This ability (to me) feels pretty far above that level of power. As a player, it's awesome and I'd love to use it. But I feel it makes Favored Soul more powerful than originally intended (but that might be the intention). -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			::::: Indeed, putting it that way CHMOD in spell levels is waaaay too good, but that doesn't mean some sort of slotable permenancy option couldn't be tinkered into working. No one is playing a FS, nor will there be one in the game any time soon, nor will one reach level 17 pretty much ever, so we're still in the spitballin' part of our program. A fixed number of spell levels (3?), or even just one slot? Anyway, I just hate hate hate hate fucking wings. -gm

	=== Deathless ===		=== Deathless ===

Mattie: added sections, permanancy ability seems powerful by comparison to Wings (citations)

2011-04-09T17:29:38Z

added sections, permanancy ability seems powerful by comparison to Wings (citations)

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	== Wings Alternatives ==		== Wings Alternatives ==
	I would love to personalize this by creating some sort of alt-ability that isn't fucking wings. -gm		I would love to personalize this by creating some sort of alt-ability that isn't fucking wings. -gm
			=== Elemental / Outsider Companion ===
	: What about a DM-chosen elemental/outsider companion of 12 HD? (I.e. somewhat like the creatures from ''Planar Ally''.) For balance purposes, I think Druid animal companions are like 16-18 hit dice at this level, a Paladin mount would be ~12HD in this range, and a Leadership cohort could be level 16. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		: What about a DM-chosen elemental/outsider companion of 12 HD? (I.e. somewhat like the creatures from ''Planar Ally''.) For balance purposes, I think Druid animal companions are like 16-18 hit dice at this level, a Paladin mount would be ~12HD in this range, and a Leadership cohort could be level 16. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			=== Auras ===
	:: That's a good idea. Another might be some sort of powerful and interesting aura. Like a permanent magic circle against chaos centered on the player or something. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		:: That's a good idea. Another might be some sort of powerful and interesting aura. Like a permanent magic circle against chaos centered on the player or something. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
	::: I was going to propose the [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/archon.htm Aura of Menace] that archons get, but it had wording in there about removing the effect if they were hit by an attack. While good, I figured this wouldn't be as universally handy as Wings might be. Still some sort of circle/aura thing is a good idea, too. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		::: I was going to propose the [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/archon.htm Aura of Menace] that archons get, but it had wording in there about removing the effect if they were hit by an attack. While good, I figured this wouldn't be as universally handy as Wings might be. Still some sort of circle/aura thing is a good idea, too. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

			=== Permanency Ability ===
	My idea was a sort of slotted-permanency spell mechanic, where you could swap out X spell levels worth of eligible spells on yourself that have a permanent duration, during some ritual that is time consuming but XP free. Where X is, perhaps, your unmodified CHR modifier. -gm		My idea was a sort of slotted-permanency spell mechanic, where you could swap out X spell levels worth of eligible spells on yourself that have a permanent duration, during some ritual that is time consuming but XP free. Where X is, perhaps, your unmodified CHR modifier. -gm
	: No comments here? -gm		: No comments here? -gm
	:: Seemed complicated at first read, and I'm still trying to understand it. I'm not sure what qualifies as an eligible spell (since permanency is typically arcane). So if I had +4 CHR bonus I could give up a 4th level spell slot to give myself Divine Power permanently? If not, do you have any other example? Can you repeat the ritual to switch spells? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:: Seemed complicated at first read, and I'm still trying to understand it. I'm not sure what qualifies as an eligible spell (since permanency is typically arcane). So if I had +4 CHR bonus I could give up a 4th level spell slot to give myself Divine Power permanently? If not, do you have any other example? Can you repeat the ritual to switch spells? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	::: Ok, so let's take a guy with 22 CHR, which is a +6 modifier. That would give him 6 spell levels worth of spells he can use a ritual to make affect himself with permanent duration. So, maybe Bull's Strength (2), Bear's Endurance (2), and Eagle's Splendor (2). Or, sanctuary (1), Deathwatch (1) and Freedom of Movement (4). These spells would be able to be swapped out via some ritual. I'm sure this is a very messy way of demonstrating something you could probably explain much more simply, but is the concept more clear now? -gm		::: Ok, so let's take a guy with 22 CHR, which is a +6 modifier. That would give him 6 spell levels worth of spells he can use a ritual to make affect himself with permanent duration. So, maybe Bull's Strength (2), Bear's Endurance (2), and Eagle's Splendor (2). Or, sanctuary (1), Deathwatch (1) and Freedom of Movement (4). These spells would be able to be swapped out via some ritual. I'm sure this is a very messy way of demonstrating something you could probably explain much more simply, but is the concept more clear now? -gm
			:::: Yeah, the concept is much clearer. Thanks for clarifying. As a PC, I love it. From a GM perspective, I think it's a little bent power-wise. For example, with a 20 CHA, I can pick Righteous Might (2x size, +4 str, +2 con, +2 AC, DR 9/evil) which (to me) is much better than their 20th level ability and you can alter it. If we really want to avoid risking unbalancing the class, it would be safer to aim for the same general level of power. So something in the line of Permanancy + Fly/Wiz3 (and arguably AlterSelf/Wiz2). Or maybe the abilities of a magic item similar to Wings of Flight in the 40k-60k value range. This ability (to me) feels pretty far above that level of power. As a player, it's awesome and I'd love to use it. But I feel it makes Favored Soul more powerful than originally intended (but that might be the intention). -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

			=== Deathless ===
	Alt: <i>Deathless</i> : The sunrise/sunset (depending on alignment) after you are killed, you rise again as if by a <i>raise dead</i> spell, suffering all related losses. You still age normally, and will still die when your maximum age is reached.		Alt: <i>Deathless</i> : The sunrise/sunset (depending on alignment) after you are killed, you rise again as if by a <i>raise dead</i> spell, suffering all related losses. You still age normally, and will still die when your maximum age is reached.
	: I have an issue with this one, but its... well... difficult to classify I guess. Player death generally only happens when a) the player is generally ok with it (ie. won't quit) and b) it seems like it will drive the story in a good way. At least with my experience in our games, players don't generally die in the middle of insignificant fights--they die in high risk situations where they can at least go out with some bang. If its a frivolous death, I suspect there are some fudged die rolls and second chances that usually prevent it. Not to say GM isn't mean and harsh--just that dieing because you failed a low DC save on a trap that was put in a hall to be a speedbump doesn't tell a good story, and that's really what its all about.		: I have an issue with this one, but its... well... difficult to classify I guess. Player death generally only happens when a) the player is generally ok with it (ie. won't quit) and b) it seems like it will drive the story in a good way. At least with my experience in our games, players don't generally die in the middle of insignificant fights--they die in high risk situations where they can at least go out with some bang. If its a frivolous death, I suspect there are some fudged die rolls and second chances that usually prevent it. Not to say GM isn't mean and harsh--just that dieing because you failed a low DC save on a trap that was put in a hall to be a speedbump doesn't tell a good story, and that's really what its all about.

96.5.63.22 at 14:31, 9 April 2011

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	: No comments here? -gm		: No comments here? -gm
	:: Seemed complicated at first read, and I'm still trying to understand it. I'm not sure what qualifies as an eligible spell (since permanency is typically arcane). So if I had +4 CHR bonus I could give up a 4th level spell slot to give myself Divine Power permanently? If not, do you have any other example? Can you repeat the ritual to switch spells? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:: Seemed complicated at first read, and I'm still trying to understand it. I'm not sure what qualifies as an eligible spell (since permanency is typically arcane). So if I had +4 CHR bonus I could give up a 4th level spell slot to give myself Divine Power permanently? If not, do you have any other example? Can you repeat the ritual to switch spells? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			::: Ok, so let's take a guy with 22 CHR, which is a +6 modifier. That would give him 6 spell levels worth of spells he can use a ritual to make affect himself with permanent duration. So, maybe Bull's Strength (2), Bear's Endurance (2), and Eagle's Splendor (2). Or, sanctuary (1), Deathwatch (1) and Freedom of Movement (4). These spells would be able to be swapped out via some ritual. I'm sure this is a very messy way of demonstrating something you could probably explain much more simply, but is the concept more clear now? -gm

	Alt: <i>Deathless</i> : The sunrise/sunset (depending on alignment) after you are killed, you rise again as if by a <i>raise dead</i> spell, suffering all related losses. You still age normally, and will still die when your maximum age is reached.		Alt: <i>Deathless</i> : The sunrise/sunset (depending on alignment) after you are killed, you rise again as if by a <i>raise dead</i> spell, suffering all related losses. You still age normally, and will still die when your maximum age is reached.

Mattie: permanency

2011-04-09T04:19:41Z

permanency

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	My idea was a sort of slotted-permanency spell mechanic, where you could swap out X spell levels worth of eligible spells on yourself that have a permanent duration, during some ritual that is time consuming but XP free. Where X is, perhaps, your unmodified CHR modifier. -gm		My idea was a sort of slotted-permanency spell mechanic, where you could swap out X spell levels worth of eligible spells on yourself that have a permanent duration, during some ritual that is time consuming but XP free. Where X is, perhaps, your unmodified CHR modifier. -gm
	: No comments here? -gm		: No comments here? -gm
			:: Seemed complicated at first read, and I'm still trying to understand it. I'm not sure what qualifies as an eligible spell (since permanency is typically arcane). So if I had +4 CHR bonus I could give up a 4th level spell slot to give myself Divine Power permanently? If not, do you have any other example? Can you repeat the ritual to switch spells? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	Alt: <i>Deathless</i> : The sunrise/sunset (depending on alignment) after you are killed, you rise again as if by a <i>raise dead</i> spell, suffering all related losses. You still age normally, and will still die when your maximum age is reached.		Alt: <i>Deathless</i> : The sunrise/sunset (depending on alignment) after you are killed, you rise again as if by a <i>raise dead</i> spell, suffering all related losses. You still age normally, and will still die when your maximum age is reached.