https://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AGermain%27s_Character_Sheet_%28Pathfinder%29Talk:Germain's Character Sheet (Pathfinder) - Revision history2026-05-09T03:56:04ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.2https://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14634&oldid=prevDetarame at 00:43, 16 August 20132013-08-16T00:43:05Z<p></p>
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</table>Detaramehttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14633&oldid=prevDetarame at 00:17, 16 August 20132013-08-16T00:17:55Z<p></p>
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</table>Detaramehttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14632&oldid=prevDetarame at 22:57, 15 August 20132013-08-15T22:57:17Z<p></p>
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</table>Detaramehttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14631&oldid=prevMsallen at 17:39, 13 August 20132013-08-13T17:39:05Z<p></p>
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</table>Msallenhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14515&oldid=prevDetarame at 20:54, 29 June 20132013-06-29T20:54:12Z<p></p>
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</table>Detaramehttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14133&oldid=prevMsallen at 04:05, 15 March 20132013-03-15T04:05:28Z<p></p>
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</table>Msallenhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14131&oldid=prevMsallen at 00:55, 15 March 20132013-03-15T00:55:13Z<p></p>
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</table>Msallenhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14129&oldid=prevMsallen at 00:22, 15 March 20132013-03-15T00:22:23Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If I were to drop profession, I would focus on the Ranger/Bard side of Germain. That would give me a solid skill point total, boost my combat and arcane magic skills quite a bit, but still keep the feel of a street smart and politically cunning sheriff archtype. I could also go Rogue, but I think Germain is more of a support player than DPS, which is why I think bard is the better match. I think the Urban Ranger archtype is a strong match for where I was going with Germain, though. Because of his exposer and influence with Big Politics in Wydmoor, I would look towards the Master Spymaster or Noble Scion prestige classes if I were to go with one. I do think this is a moderate shift from what Germain used to be--he's probably going to have more combat skills, he'll be a proper spellcaster, and a lot more bardic music abilities. He probably will lose some of the extra skills I got in the conversion, but I expect he'll be pretty close to original Germain WRT skills. What do we think? --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If I were to drop profession, I would focus on the Ranger/Bard side of Germain. That would give me a solid skill point total, boost my combat and arcane magic skills quite a bit, but still keep the feel of a street smart and politically cunning sheriff archtype. I could also go Rogue, but I think Germain is more of a support player than DPS, which is why I think bard is the better match. I think the Urban Ranger archtype is a strong match for where I was going with Germain, though. Because of his exposer and influence with Big Politics in Wydmoor, I would look towards the Master Spymaster or Noble Scion prestige classes if I were to go with one. I do think this is a moderate shift from what Germain used to be--he's probably going to have more combat skills, he'll be a proper spellcaster, and a lot more bardic music abilities. He probably will lose some of the extra skills I got in the conversion, but I expect he'll be pretty close to original Germain WRT skills. What do we think? --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]</div></td></tr>
</table>Msallenhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=14123&oldid=prevMsallen at 23:11, 14 March 20132013-03-14T23:11:49Z<p></p>
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</table>Msallenhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Germain%27s_Character_Sheet_(Pathfinder)&diff=13971&oldid=prevDetarame: /* No Professional Build */2013-02-26T22:12:31Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">No Professional Build</span></span></p>
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