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Mattie: /* Finance Episcopacy */ history

2011-06-13T04:16:31Z

Finance Episcopacy: history

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	: Hmm. Since Exchequery and finance has a LOT to do with my game (even if that's not clear yet), I obviously thing accounting can be adventure! On the other hand, the primary economic tool of the church is its virtual monopoly on minting coins and the subsequent control over monitary health that brings. The church, though, is definately not cheap and probably does have some sort of Minster of Coins to keep the thing running. I don't know if the accounting wing would have grown out of the minting wing, or along side of it. Don't forget, the church has a physical country to operate as well as an international church, I'd think having a Minister of Finance of some sort would have been one of the earliest things STerros and Mythrian had to set up. So, I like the idea but am not in love with the backstory. -gm		: Hmm. Since Exchequery and finance has a LOT to do with my game (even if that's not clear yet), I obviously thing accounting can be adventure! On the other hand, the primary economic tool of the church is its virtual monopoly on minting coins and the subsequent control over monitary health that brings. The church, though, is definately not cheap and probably does have some sort of Minster of Coins to keep the thing running. I don't know if the accounting wing would have grown out of the minting wing, or along side of it. Don't forget, the church has a physical country to operate as well as an international church, I'd think having a Minister of Finance of some sort would have been one of the earliest things STerros and Mythrian had to set up. So, I like the idea but am not in love with the backstory. -gm
	:: Sounds great. Needs a better name and more coin-based backstory, definitely. Is there more existing backstory on coinage than I captured [[Coinage\|here]]? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:: Sounds great. Needs a better name and more coin-based backstory, definitely. Is there more existing backstory on coinage than I captured [[Coinage\|here]]? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	::: You mean mose's copper bits? Why, that'd be in game knowledge. Can't spoil that. -gm		::: You mean mose's copper bits? Why, that'd be in game knowledge. Can't spoil that. -gm
			:::: Well, I meant more story about how the laws for coinage/minting happened? All that's on the [[Coinage]] topic is just that gold/silver comes from Church. Not much background on why that is, when that started, etc. Any ideas floating in your worldmastery head about how that all got started? :) -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

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Detarame at 03:16, 13 June 2011

2011-06-13T03:16:26Z

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	: Hmm. Since Exchequery and finance has a LOT to do with my game (even if that's not clear yet), I obviously thing accounting can be adventure! On the other hand, the primary economic tool of the church is its virtual monopoly on minting coins and the subsequent control over monitary health that brings. The church, though, is definately not cheap and probably does have some sort of Minster of Coins to keep the thing running. I don't know if the accounting wing would have grown out of the minting wing, or along side of it. Don't forget, the church has a physical country to operate as well as an international church, I'd think having a Minister of Finance of some sort would have been one of the earliest things STerros and Mythrian had to set up. So, I like the idea but am not in love with the backstory. -gm		: Hmm. Since Exchequery and finance has a LOT to do with my game (even if that's not clear yet), I obviously thing accounting can be adventure! On the other hand, the primary economic tool of the church is its virtual monopoly on minting coins and the subsequent control over monitary health that brings. The church, though, is definately not cheap and probably does have some sort of Minster of Coins to keep the thing running. I don't know if the accounting wing would have grown out of the minting wing, or along side of it. Don't forget, the church has a physical country to operate as well as an international church, I'd think having a Minister of Finance of some sort would have been one of the earliest things STerros and Mythrian had to set up. So, I like the idea but am not in love with the backstory. -gm
	:: Sounds great. Needs a better name and more coin-based backstory, definitely. Is there more existing backstory on coinage than I captured [[Coinage\|here]]? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:: Sounds great. Needs a better name and more coin-based backstory, definitely. Is there more existing backstory on coinage than I captured [[Coinage\|here]]? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			::: You mean mose's copper bits? Why, that'd be in game knowledge. Can't spoil that. -gm


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Mattie: /* Finance Episcopacy */ finance

2011-06-12T21:43:45Z

Finance Episcopacy: finance

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	''Almsman Episcopacy''? (Started as charity side, grew to become full-on church finance/accounting/investment/treasury?)		''Almsman Episcopacy''? (Started as charity side, grew to become full-on church finance/accounting/investment/treasury?)
	: Almsman - 2 - accounting is booring. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		: Almsman - 2 - accounting is booring. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
	: Hmm. Since Exchequery and finance has a LOT to do with my game (even if that's not clear yet), I obviously thing accounting can be adventure! On the other hand, the primary economic tool of the church is its virtual monopoly on minting coins and the subsequent control over monitary health that brings. The church, though, is definately not cheap and probably does have some sort of Minster of Coins to keep the thing running. I don't know if the accounting wing would have grown out of the minting wing, or along side of it. Don't forget, the church has a physical country to operate as well as an international church, I'd think having a Minister of Finance of some sort would have been one of the earliest things STerros and Mythrian had to set up. So, I like the idea but am not in love with the backstory. -gm		: Hmm. Since Exchequery and finance has a LOT to do with my game (even if that's not clear yet), I obviously thing accounting can be adventure! On the other hand, the primary economic tool of the church is its virtual monopoly on minting coins and the subsequent control over monitary health that brings. The church, though, is definately not cheap and probably does have some sort of Minster of Coins to keep the thing running. I don't know if the accounting wing would have grown out of the minting wing, or along side of it. Don't forget, the church has a physical country to operate as well as an international church, I'd think having a Minister of Finance of some sort would have been one of the earliest things STerros and Mythrian had to set up. So, I like the idea but am not in love with the backstory. -gm
			:: Sounds great. Needs a better name and more coin-based backstory, definitely. Is there more existing backstory on coinage than I captured [[Coinage\|here]]? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

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Mattie: /* Archivist Episcopacy */ church archivest/librarian?

2011-06-12T21:23:40Z

Archivist Episcopacy: church archivest/librarian?

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	===== Archivist Episcopacy =====		===== Archivist Episcopacy =====
	Also, I think it would be good to have an archivist/librarian episcopacy. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		Also, I think it would be good to have an archivist/librarian episcopacy. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
			:: It was suggested that perhaps this Church Librarian ends up being one of the WINOs Matt discusses for a 3rd tier warden? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	===== Next Steps =====		===== Next Steps =====

Mattie: quick comments, link to table

2011-06-12T21:17:29Z

quick comments, link to table

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	: Rosewall - 3 - church is not supposed to participate in war, so flush out later. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		: Rosewall - 3 - church is not supposed to participate in war, so flush out later. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
	:As Matt points out, the church is non-martial most of the time. Paramilitary groups that exist in the church are known as [[Holy Militants]], and are usually but not always Paladinly orders. Each Holy Militant will have its own Warden, which is where I'd focus my efforts in fleshing out the martial wing of the church. I don't think a centralized War Department is in the flavor of the place. Also, I imagine the Arch-Warden would probably consider him or her self the only person trustworthy enough to have that sort of position. -gm		:As Matt points out, the church is non-martial most of the time. Paramilitary groups that exist in the church are known as [[Holy Militants]], and are usually but not always Paladinly orders. Each Holy Militant will have its own Warden, which is where I'd focus my efforts in fleshing out the martial wing of the church. I don't think a centralized War Department is in the flavor of the place. Also, I imagine the Arch-Warden would probably consider him or her self the only person trustworthy enough to have that sort of position. -gm
			::So not really appropriate, definitely dropped. Any other comments? -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]] 17:17, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

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	:Also, I think there is probably at least two or three "tiers" of Warden, if only unofficially. Like, there are maybe 6 or 8 REALLY POWERFUL Wardens in charge of things like finance, justice, inqusition, whatever. Then there are probably a bigger set of lesser wardens - equal in official rank, but not importance or job prestige - like the forest warden guy and the administrative distict guy. And maybe even a third tier full of WINOs (Wardens In Name Only) who are in charge of things like the Church Art Collection, the Church Library, and niche affairs like that. What do you all think? -gm		:Also, I think there is probably at least two or three "tiers" of Warden, if only unofficially. Like, there are maybe 6 or 8 REALLY POWERFUL Wardens in charge of things like finance, justice, inqusition, whatever. Then there are probably a bigger set of lesser wardens - equal in official rank, but not importance or job prestige - like the forest warden guy and the administrative distict guy. And maybe even a third tier full of WINOs (Wardens In Name Only) who are in charge of things like the Church Art Collection, the Church Library, and niche affairs like that. What do you all think? -gm
			:: I like everything you wrote above. I [[List of Manifest Episcopacies\|started a table]] where we could specify "Type" to clarify traditional ones, holy militants, and these 2nd and 3rd tier guys. Comments/adjustments welcomed. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	== Church Policing? ==		== Church Policing? ==

Mattie: /* Possible suggestions */ restructuring the discussion for ease of responses

2011-06-12T21:15:25Z

Possible suggestions: restructuring the discussion for ease of responses

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Detarame at 17:10, 12 June 2011

2011-06-12T17:10:59Z

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 Have I answered all outstanding questions about the Episocopacies? -gm
 : Yeah-- so they're a lot like the Cabinet offices/positions? It makes a lot of sense that way. We need to make a handful more of these, though, as I suspect they're probably rather important and fairly common knowledge among the population. We especially should sketch out how the moral/crime-against-persons law system is handled-- surely that comes up a lot? Good news for my games is that there's probably room for the system to change a bit over 400+ years. -[[User:Mattie|Mattie]]
 Wow, all these little groups means so much politics and opportunities to build a cult of personality. If shit goes bad in Wydmoor, what would it take to join the church as a neophayte? Does Germain have to take cleric levels, or could I just dump a couple points into knowledge (religion) and give a really heartfelt confession of faith? I'd be a mighty fine inquisitor! --[[Special:Contributions/146.127.253.45|146.127.253.45]]
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 :::: I'm sure its grand. I'm going to guess it is like reading Rushdie and it will leave me feeling confused, weighty, and vaguely satisfied. I'll wait until I'm old and have less to do with my time. --[[Special:Contributions/146.127.253.45|146.127.253.45]]
 ::::: Well, to put it in perspective: writing novels is Umberto Eco's SIDE GIG. [[User:Detarame|absalom]] 20:35, 9 May 2011 (EDT)
 I think, so far, there are only two defined Manifest Episcopacies on the wiki: the [[Travelers]] and the [[Forgewelle Episcopacy]].
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 ==== Possible suggestions ====
 I'd love to start fleshing these out, get some cool stories for their founding, etc... To encourage that, how about a strawman list? If you dislike 80% of them, maybe I'll get 2-3 important ones that I can try to work into my narrative (where I need some churchy drama). I'm doing this more to get everyone's creative juices flowing...
 * Rosewall Episcopacy (Defense ministry? I'm thinking if there's a group like this, they're still very powerful in 950FI anyway, after Edrell Dakt used them as planners for Fourth Int?)
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 :Great idea. Here is my ranking (1 is good 3 is bad). Rosewall - 3 - church is not supposed to participate in war, so flush out later. Almsman - 2 - accounting is booring. Temperances - 1 - cool. Letters - 1 - neat idea. Emissary - 2 - I'd think the stand would go one-on-one with leaders. Bellwether - 2 - too cynical. Witness - 1 - like. Forest - 2 - ok. --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]
 : Also, I think it would be good to have an archivist/librarian episcopacy. --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]
 == Church Policing? ==

Msallen: /* Possible suggestions */

2011-06-12T03:32:08Z

Possible suggestions

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	:Great idea. Here is my ranking (1 is good 3 is bad). Rosewall - 3 - church is not supposed to participate in war, so flush out later. Almsman - 2 - accounting is booring. Temperances - 1 - cool. Letters - 1 - neat idea. Emissary - 2 - I'd think the stand would go one-on-one with leaders. Bellwether - 2 - too cynical. Witness - 1 - like. Forest - 2 - ok. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		:Great idea. Here is my ranking (1 is good 3 is bad). Rosewall - 3 - church is not supposed to participate in war, so flush out later. Almsman - 2 - accounting is booring. Temperances - 1 - cool. Letters - 1 - neat idea. Emissary - 2 - I'd think the stand would go one-on-one with leaders. Bellwether - 2 - too cynical. Witness - 1 - like. Forest - 2 - ok. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
			: Also, I think it would be good to have an archivist/librarian episcopacy. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

	== Church Policing? ==		== Church Policing? ==

Msallen: /* Possible suggestions */

2011-06-12T03:29:50Z

Possible suggestions

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	Some of these names/ideas are downright bad, I admit. Yet, if nothing else, I'd love to see missionary (if it exists) and inquisitor episcopacies sorted-out. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Some of these names/ideas are downright bad, I admit. Yet, if nothing else, I'd love to see missionary (if it exists) and inquisitor episcopacies sorted-out. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

			:Great idea. Here is my ranking (1 is good 3 is bad). Rosewall - 3 - church is not supposed to participate in war, so flush out later. Almsman - 2 - accounting is booring. Temperances - 1 - cool. Letters - 1 - neat idea. Emissary - 2 - I'd think the stand would go one-on-one with leaders. Bellwether - 2 - too cynical. Witness - 1 - like. Forest - 2 - ok. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

	== Church Policing? ==		== Church Policing? ==

Mattie: some explanation tweaks to make more more sense

2011-06-11T12:59:15Z

some explanation tweaks to make more more sense

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	* Rosewall Episcopacy (Defense ministry? I'm thinking if there's a group like this, they're still very powerful in 950FI anyway, after Edrell Dakt used them as planners for Fourth Int?)		* Rosewall Episcopacy (Defense ministry? I'm thinking if there's a group like this, they're still very powerful in 950FI anyway, after Edrell Dakt used them as planners for Fourth Int?)
	* ~~Almsmen~~ Episcopacy (~~Full~~-on church finance/accounting/investment)		* Almsman Episcopacy (Started as charity side, grew to become full-on church finance/accounting/investment/treasury?)
	* Universal Temperance Episcopacy (Justice dept?)		* Universal Temperance Episcopacy (Justice dept? Manages those crimes-against-person/religion affairs?)
	* Manifest Temperance Episcopacy (Inquisitors/excommunicators? Perhaps also guardians and maintainers of Stone Warden?)		* Manifest Temperance Episcopacy (Internal affairs? Inquisitors/excommunicators? Perhaps also guardians and maintainers of Stone Warden?)
	* Predicant Letters Episcopacy (Press, Communication, Propaganda)		* Predicant Letters Episcopacy (Press, Communication, Official Writings, Propaganda?)
	* Stand Emissary Episcopacy (~~Small group,~~ ambassadors, trusted emissaries, direct communication with world leaders?)		* Stand Emissary Episcopacy (Group of ambassadors+staff, trusted emissaries, direct communication with world leaders?)
	* Bellwether Circle Episcopacy (Oracles, visionaries, intel network, spies?)		* Bellwether Circle Episcopacy (Intelligence? Oracles, visionaries, intel network, spies?)
	* New Witness Episcopacy (missionaries, reaching out to barbarians, growing/recommending new regional episcopacies)		* New Witness Episcopacy (missionaries, reaching out to barbarians/foreigners, growing/recommending/babysitting new regional episcopacies?)
	* Red Forest Episcopacy (church land managers?)		* Red Forest Episcopacy (church land managers?)