https://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AProfane_WeaponTalk:Profane Weapon - Revision history2026-06-21T10:51:41ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.2https://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Profane_Weapon&diff=5833&oldid=prevSlitherrr at 00:59, 13 June 20102010-06-13T00:59:13Z<p></p>
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</table>Slitherrrhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Profane_Weapon&diff=5809&oldid=prev75.64.110.158 at 13:52, 12 June 20102010-06-12T13:52:35Z<p></p>
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</table>75.64.110.158https://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Profane_Weapon&diff=5750&oldid=prev75.64.110.158 at 19:44, 8 June 20102010-06-08T19:44:40Z<p></p>
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</table>75.64.110.158https://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Profane_Weapon&diff=5749&oldid=prev75.64.110.158 at 19:43, 8 June 20102010-06-08T19:43:44Z<p></p>
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</table>Slitherrrhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Profane_Weapon&diff=5747&oldid=prevSlitherrr at 18:03, 8 June 20102010-06-08T18:03:09Z<p></p>
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</table>Slitherrrhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Profane_Weapon&diff=5746&oldid=prevSlitherrr at 18:01, 8 June 20102010-06-08T18:01:25Z<p></p>
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</table>Slitherrrhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Profane_Weapon&diff=5744&oldid=prevMsallen at 17:40, 8 June 20102010-06-08T17:40:06Z<p></p>
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</table>Msallenhttps://wiki.memphisgamers.com/index.php?title=Talk:Profane_Weapon&diff=5743&oldid=prevMsallen at 16:49, 8 June 20102010-06-08T16:49:45Z<p></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Wouldn't this be more appropriate if it revolved around the Chaotic alignment? Evil doesn't seem to be far outside Alexandria's wheelhouse. --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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