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	:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
	::::: I thinks this is a clean, straightforward way to do the professional without having to make a big deal out of the conversion. Matt, I'm pretty sure you read the advanced rogue talents wrong--they are available anytime after 10th level. Do we want to consider retiring the dragoman prestige class and just folding some of those abilities into the 10+ professional? Given the content of the rogue talents, it's seeming a lot less unique as a prestige class concept. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		::::: I thinks this is a clean, straightforward way to do the professional without having to make a big deal out of the conversion. Matt, I'm pretty sure you read the advanced rogue talents wrong--they are available anytime after 10th level. Do we want to consider retiring the dragoman prestige class and just folding some of those abilities into the 10+ professional? Given the content of the rogue talents, it's seeming a lot less unique as a prestige class concept. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

			What does Universality mean for PF? Does that mean they can pick a non-professional class at startup, and then get +1 hp/sp per level with that class or professional? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

	Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]

Msallen: /* Professional Conversion Discussion */

2013-02-11T16:49:11Z

Professional Conversion Discussion

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	::: In this case, they get an Advanced Professional Development. The rogue only gets one Advanced Rogue Talent. I decided that, since the professional would be ever more hampered at the fundamental D&D stuff at the stratospheric levels, it would be a good trade off. But, as you say, I don't even know what a 20th level professional would even look like or why it would exist. Maybe it should be a five or ten level only core class, sort of a prestige class turned on its head. -gm		::: In this case, they get an Advanced Professional Development. The rogue only gets one Advanced Rogue Talent. I decided that, since the professional would be ever more hampered at the fundamental D&D stuff at the stratospheric levels, it would be a good trade off. But, as you say, I don't even know what a 20th level professional would even look like or why it would exist. Maybe it should be a five or ten level only core class, sort of a prestige class turned on its head. -gm
	:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			::::: I thinks this is a clean, straightforward way to do the professional without having to make a big deal out of the conversion. Matt, I'm pretty sure you read the advanced rogue talents wrong--they are available anytime after 10th level. Do we want to consider retiring the dragoman prestige class and just folding some of those abilities into the 10+ professional? Given the content of the rogue talents, it's seeming a lot less unique as a prestige class concept. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

	Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
	:That is, ''hard to fool'', advanced version, not regular version. Did Paizo really not realize that they were calling two completely different talents (without any prerequisite relationship) by the same name? -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:That is, ''hard to fool'', advanced version, not regular version. Did Paizo really not realize that they were calling two completely different talents (without any prerequisite relationship) by the same name? -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]

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Slitherrr at 04:28, 31 January 2013

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	Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			:That is, ''hard to fool'', advanced version, not regular version. Did Paizo really not realize that they were calling two completely different talents (without any prerequisite relationship) by the same name? -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
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Slitherrr at 04:26, 31 January 2013

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	::: In this case, they get an Advanced Professional Development. The rogue only gets one Advanced Rogue Talent. I decided that, since the professional would be ever more hampered at the fundamental D&D stuff at the stratospheric levels, it would be a good trade off. But, as you say, I don't even know what a 20th level professional would even look like or why it would exist. Maybe it should be a five or ten level only core class, sort of a prestige class turned on its head. -gm		::: In this case, they get an Advanced Professional Development. The rogue only gets one Advanced Rogue Talent. I decided that, since the professional would be ever more hampered at the fundamental D&D stuff at the stratospheric levels, it would be a good trade off. But, as you say, I don't even know what a 20th level professional would even look like or why it would exist. Maybe it should be a five or ten level only core class, sort of a prestige class turned on its head. -gm
	:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]

			Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]

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Slitherrr at 04:20, 31 January 2013

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	:: PF also likes to put unique 20th-level stuff in its base classes, but it's really hard to think about what would even entail for this class. It's the definition of a splash class, after all. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:: PF also likes to put unique 20th-level stuff in its base classes, but it's really hard to think about what would even entail for this class. It's the definition of a splash class, after all. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
	::: In this case, they get an Advanced Professional Development. The rogue only gets one Advanced Rogue Talent. I decided that, since the professional would be ever more hampered at the fundamental D&D stuff at the stratospheric levels, it would be a good trade off. But, as you say, I don't even know what a 20th level professional would even look like or why it would exist. Maybe it should be a five or ten level only core class, sort of a prestige class turned on its head. -gm		::: In this case, they get an Advanced Professional Development. The rogue only gets one Advanced Rogue Talent. I decided that, since the professional would be ever more hampered at the fundamental D&D stuff at the stratospheric levels, it would be a good trade off. But, as you say, I don't even know what a 20th level professional would even look like or why it would exist. Maybe it should be a five or ten level only core class, sort of a prestige class turned on its head. -gm
			:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]

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Detarame: /* Professional Conversion Discussion */

2013-01-31T02:16:39Z

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	:Neat! I haven't pored through the developments, will have to do that for edification. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:Neat! I haven't pored through the developments, will have to do that for edification. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
	:: PF also likes to put unique 20th-level stuff in its base classes, but it's really hard to think about what would even entail for this class. It's the definition of a splash class, after all. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:: PF also likes to put unique 20th-level stuff in its base classes, but it's really hard to think about what would even entail for this class. It's the definition of a splash class, after all. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			::: In this case, they get an Advanced Professional Development. The rogue only gets one Advanced Rogue Talent. I decided that, since the professional would be ever more hampered at the fundamental D&D stuff at the stratospheric levels, it would be a good trade off. But, as you say, I don't even know what a 20th level professional would even look like or why it would exist. Maybe it should be a five or ten level only core class, sort of a prestige class turned on its head. -gm

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Slitherrr: /* Professional Conversion Discussion */

2013-01-29T06:55:37Z

Professional Conversion Discussion

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	That was actually really easy, and I like it. Nerfed combat abilities somewhat and reworked Professional Development system to make it like Rogue Traits, several of which fit very well on the Professional list. Selected the more skillzy ones and added some. The biggest change is dropping one category of Best saves to bring more in line with other core classes, but the increased number of potential feat selections via the new professional development should offset this somewhat for those that want mega saves since there are plenty of chances to pick up save boosters(for example, there are a whole host of PF feats that sub in one Attribute Score for another in Saves that should be put on the bonus feat list)		That was actually really easy, and I like it. Nerfed combat abilities somewhat and reworked Professional Development system to make it like Rogue Traits, several of which fit very well on the Professional list. Selected the more skillzy ones and added some. The biggest change is dropping one category of Best saves to bring more in line with other core classes, but the increased number of potential feat selections via the new professional development should offset this somewhat for those that want mega saves since there are plenty of chances to pick up save boosters(for example, there are a whole host of PF feats that sub in one Attribute Score for another in Saves that should be put on the bonus feat list)
	:Neat! I haven't pored through the developments, will have to do that for edification. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:Neat! I haven't pored through the developments, will have to do that for edification. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
			:: PF also likes to put unique 20th-level stuff in its base classes, but it's really hard to think about what would even entail for this class. It's the definition of a splash class, after all. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]

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Slitherrr: /* Professional Conversion Discussion */

2013-01-29T06:52:41Z

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	== Professional Conversion Discussion ==		== Professional Conversion Discussion ==

	That was actually really easy, and I like it. Nerfed combat abilities somewhat and reworked Professional Development system to make it like Rogue Traits, several of which fit very well on the Professional list. Selected the more skillzy ones and added some. The biggest change is dropping one category of Best saves to bring more in line with other core classes, but the increased number of potential feat selections via the new professional development should offset this somewhat for those that want mega saves since there are plenty of chances to pick up save boosters(for example, there are a whole host of PF feats that sub in one Attribute Score for another in Saves that should be put on the bonus feat list)		That was actually really easy, and I like it. Nerfed combat abilities somewhat and reworked Professional Development system to make it like Rogue Traits, several of which fit very well on the Professional list. Selected the more skillzy ones and added some. The biggest change is dropping one category of Best saves to bring more in line with other core classes, but the increased number of potential feat selections via the new professional development should offset this somewhat for those that want mega saves since there are plenty of chances to pick up save boosters(for example, there are a whole host of PF feats that sub in one Attribute Score for another in Saves that should be put on the bonus feat list)
			:Neat! I haven't pored through the developments, will have to do that for edification. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]



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	:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		:::: Ah, I haven't looked at the rogue, so I didn't know that. Yeah, it is weird, the Professional is kind of a course correction for Pathfinder's divergence from 3.5e's tendency toward splash classes. Sure, the language in the PF SRD would love you to think that they're making multiclassing easier by removing exp penalties, but what they really mean is that they're making the bookkeeping easier--all the foregone bonuses are there to make multiclassing in PF a lot LESS attractive than 3.5e, in my opinion. The Professional basically says, "Hey look, man, sometimes classes just need a little more salt, not a ton more paprika or turmeric or whatever crazy you're working with over there." -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]
	::::: I thinks this is a clean, straightforward way to do the professional without having to make a big deal out of the conversion. Matt, I'm pretty sure you read the advanced rogue talents wrong--they are available anytime after 10th level. Do we want to consider retiring the dragoman prestige class and just folding some of those abilities into the 10+ professional? Given the content of the rogue talents, it's seeming a lot less unique as a prestige class concept. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		::::: I thinks this is a clean, straightforward way to do the professional without having to make a big deal out of the conversion. Matt, I'm pretty sure you read the advanced rogue talents wrong--they are available anytime after 10th level. Do we want to consider retiring the dragoman prestige class and just folding some of those abilities into the 10+ professional? Given the content of the rogue talents, it's seeming a lot less unique as a prestige class concept. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

			What does Universality mean for PF? Does that mean they can pick a non-professional class at startup, and then get +1 hp/sp per level with that class or professional? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

	Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]		Reading a bit, ''slippery mind'' is redundant--''hard to fool'' is strictly better. -[[User:Slitherrr\|Slitherrr]]