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Mattie: /* OOC What to do next? */ random side-chat on war spells

2011-05-22T15:02:04Z

OOC What to do next?: random side-chat on war spells

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	:: Yeah, but it's easily as much food as we could come up with teleporting out of country, though the hat itself could feed 700 people for a day if it ever used all 15 charges. You wouldn't hear complaints from me if you got rid of the Summon/Legion spells... if those were used against us, we'd be pretty messed-up and we definitely have it coming to us, karma-wise. :( I don't think the others are really too unbalanced, especially if they add more material costs or something... The others don't seem so crazy as to require XP... I'm curious to see which way you go, though. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:: Yeah, but it's easily as much food as we could come up with teleporting out of country, though the hat itself could feed 700 people for a day if it ever used all 15 charges. You wouldn't hear complaints from me if you got rid of the Summon/Legion spells... if those were used against us, we'd be pretty messed-up and we definitely have it coming to us, karma-wise. :( I don't think the others are really too unbalanced, especially if they add more material costs or something... The others don't seem so crazy as to require XP... I'm curious to see which way you go, though. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	::: As you say, the only real balance issues are with things that have both tremendous AND persistent power, and the Summon Herd is the biggest example of that as Al is starting to prove. Though, honestly, from a practical point of view I just hate that spell because it breaks bullet-time combats logistically as much as it does balance-wise. I don't hate the spell, but I always intended these spells to be strategic, not tactical. For the other ones, an increase in the GP value of the material component is probably more than adequate, but for the summon family I'm still leaning strongly toward small XP cost, as well. Hopefully this clarification sets minds at ease. -gm		::: As you say, the only real balance issues are with things that have both tremendous AND persistent power, and the Summon Herd is the biggest example of that as Al is starting to prove. Though, honestly, from a practical point of view I just hate that spell because it breaks bullet-time combats logistically as much as it does balance-wise. I don't hate the spell, but I always intended these spells to be strategic, not tactical. For the other ones, an increase in the GP value of the material component is probably more than adequate, but for the summon family I'm still leaning strongly toward small XP cost, as well. Hopefully this clarification sets minds at ease. -gm
			:::: You might have mentioned this before, but another thought is to also require the Summon ones to have a Concentration cost to maintain. Which keeps the casters distant from combat and some people there to defend them or the spell would fall... Just a random thought that might encourage it to be used more strategically (seiges, harassment, etc) and less used as part of bullet-time... -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

Detarame at 21:27, 20 May 2011

2011-05-20T21:27:58Z

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	:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	::::: Thanks for pointing that out in the main page--I missed it somehow here. Kimmy doesn't have the right moral standing to be generally useful to me, but she'll definitely be able to help this time! --[[Special:Contributions/146.127.253.45\|146.127.253.45]]		::::: Thanks for pointing that out in the main page--I missed it somehow here. Kimmy doesn't have the right moral standing to be generally useful to me, but she'll definitely be able to help this time! --[[Special:Contributions/146.127.253.45\|146.127.253.45]]
			:::::: You'll have to wait till her spells reset to do that, but otherwise not a problem. She currently has <i>Identify</i> as her prepared 2nd level domain spell. -gm

	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

146.127.253.45: /* OOC What to do next? */

2011-05-20T20:28:10Z

OOC What to do next?

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	::: :( I'm sorry to hear that. I was getting all excited about this plan I had where Germain steers the detainee's thoughts while LE reads their mind. Egg needs to get some telepathy spells stat. Otherwise, no, nothing for GM to do here untill we start questioning. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		::: :( I'm sorry to hear that. I was getting all excited about this plan I had where Germain steers the detainee's thoughts while LE reads their mind. Egg needs to get some telepathy spells stat. Otherwise, no, nothing for GM to do here untill we start questioning. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
	:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			::::: Thanks for pointing that out in the main page--I missed it somehow here. Kimmy doesn't have the right moral standing to be generally useful to me, but she'll definitely be able to help this time! --[[Special:Contributions/146.127.253.45\|146.127.253.45]]

	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

Detarame at 16:42, 20 May 2011

2011-05-20T16:42:49Z

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	: Also, don't forget War School spells are in the process of being errata'd to include a small XP cost depending on the level of the spell. Probably something on the order of 5xp per spell level per casting. Either that or removing them outright for game balance. I put them on the wiki specifically to help with the hobgoblin stalemate of last year, but I'm concerned this class of spells is fucking up my christmas without checks on it. Of course, my concern in this regard is more about combat and summon spells and less about Feed the Masses, since every day you guys want to deal with Feed the Masses is essentially a day you're not doing anything else. And, since the food disappears after 24 hours anyway, you can either commit kimi to Feeding the Masses or Fighting, but not both without some difficulty. -gm		: Also, don't forget War School spells are in the process of being errata'd to include a small XP cost depending on the level of the spell. Probably something on the order of 5xp per spell level per casting. Either that or removing them outright for game balance. I put them on the wiki specifically to help with the hobgoblin stalemate of last year, but I'm concerned this class of spells is fucking up my christmas without checks on it. Of course, my concern in this regard is more about combat and summon spells and less about Feed the Masses, since every day you guys want to deal with Feed the Masses is essentially a day you're not doing anything else. And, since the food disappears after 24 hours anyway, you can either commit kimi to Feeding the Masses or Fighting, but not both without some difficulty. -gm
	:: Yeah, but it's easily as much food as we could come up with teleporting out of country, though the hat itself could feed 700 people for a day if it ever used all 15 charges. You wouldn't hear complaints from me if you got rid of the Summon/Legion spells... if those were used against us, we'd be pretty messed-up and we definitely have it coming to us, karma-wise. :( I don't think the others are really too unbalanced, especially if they add more material costs or something... The others don't seem so crazy as to require XP... I'm curious to see which way you go, though. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:: Yeah, but it's easily as much food as we could come up with teleporting out of country, though the hat itself could feed 700 people for a day if it ever used all 15 charges. You wouldn't hear complaints from me if you got rid of the Summon/Legion spells... if those were used against us, we'd be pretty messed-up and we definitely have it coming to us, karma-wise. :( I don't think the others are really too unbalanced, especially if they add more material costs or something... The others don't seem so crazy as to require XP... I'm curious to see which way you go, though. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			::: As you say, the only real balance issues are with things that have both tremendous AND persistent power, and the Summon Herd is the biggest example of that as Al is starting to prove. Though, honestly, from a practical point of view I just hate that spell because it breaks bullet-time combats logistically as much as it does balance-wise. I don't hate the spell, but I always intended these spells to be strategic, not tactical. For the other ones, an increase in the GP value of the material component is probably more than adequate, but for the summon family I'm still leaning strongly toward small XP cost, as well. Hopefully this clarification sets minds at ease. -gm

Mattie at 03:54, 20 May 2011

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	:: FWiW - This may not have come up in game yet, but LE gave up her ability to detect thoughts. I don't know how to address any of that other stuff, or even if I'm supposed to? -gm		:: FWiW - This may not have come up in game yet, but LE gave up her ability to detect thoughts. I don't know how to address any of that other stuff, or even if I'm supposed to? -gm
	::: :( I'm sorry to hear that. I was getting all excited about this plan I had where Germain steers the detainee's thoughts while LE reads their mind. Egg needs to get some telepathy spells stat. Otherwise, no, nothing for GM to do here untill we start questioning. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		::: :( I'm sorry to hear that. I was getting all excited about this plan I had where Germain steers the detainee's thoughts while LE reads their mind. Egg needs to get some telepathy spells stat. Otherwise, no, nothing for GM to do here untill we start questioning. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
			:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	: Also, don't forget War School spells are in the process of being errata'd to include a small XP cost depending on the level of the spell. Probably something on the order of 5xp per spell level per casting. Either that or removing them outright for game balance. I put them on the wiki specifically to help with the hobgoblin stalemate of last year, but I'm concerned this class of spells is fucking up my christmas without checks on it. Of course, my concern in this regard is more about combat and summon spells and less about Feed the Masses, since every day you guys want to deal with Feed the Masses is essentially a day you're not doing anything else. And, since the food disappears after 24 hours anyway, you can either commit kimi to Feeding the Masses or Fighting, but not both without some difficulty. -gm		: Also, don't forget War School spells are in the process of being errata'd to include a small XP cost depending on the level of the spell. Probably something on the order of 5xp per spell level per casting. Either that or removing them outright for game balance. I put them on the wiki specifically to help with the hobgoblin stalemate of last year, but I'm concerned this class of spells is fucking up my christmas without checks on it. Of course, my concern in this regard is more about combat and summon spells and less about Feed the Masses, since every day you guys want to deal with Feed the Masses is essentially a day you're not doing anything else. And, since the food disappears after 24 hours anyway, you can either commit kimi to Feeding the Masses or Fighting, but not both without some difficulty. -gm
			:: Yeah, but it's easily as much food as we could come up with teleporting out of country, though the hat itself could feed 700 people for a day if it ever used all 15 charges. You wouldn't hear complaints from me if you got rid of the Summon/Legion spells... if those were used against us, we'd be pretty messed-up and we definitely have it coming to us, karma-wise. :( I don't think the others are really too unbalanced, especially if they add more material costs or something... The others don't seem so crazy as to require XP... I'm curious to see which way you go, though. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

Msallen at 22:26, 19 May 2011

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	: I agree we should start figuring out what to ask the prisoners. Should we play the game where LE/Egg detect thoughts while Germ interviews? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		: I agree we should start figuring out what to ask the prisoners. Should we play the game where LE/Egg detect thoughts while Germ interviews? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
	:: FWiW - This may not have come up in game yet, but LE gave up her ability to detect thoughts. I don't know how to address any of that other stuff, or even if I'm supposed to? -gm		:: FWiW - This may not have come up in game yet, but LE gave up her ability to detect thoughts. I don't know how to address any of that other stuff, or even if I'm supposed to? -gm
			::: :( I'm sorry to hear that. I was getting all excited about this plan I had where Germain steers the detainee's thoughts while LE reads their mind. Egg needs to get some telepathy spells stat. Otherwise, no, nothing for GM to do here untill we start questioning. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	: Also, don't forget War School spells are in the process of being errata'd to include a small XP cost depending on the level of the spell. Probably something on the order of 5xp per spell level per casting. Either that or removing them outright for game balance. I put them on the wiki specifically to help with the hobgoblin stalemate of last year, but I'm concerned this class of spells is fucking up my christmas without checks on it. Of course, my concern in this regard is more about combat and summon spells and less about Feed the Masses, since every day you guys want to deal with Feed the Masses is essentially a day you're not doing anything else. And, since the food disappears after 24 hours anyway, you can either commit kimi to Feeding the Masses or Fighting, but not both without some difficulty. -gm		: Also, don't forget War School spells are in the process of being errata'd to include a small XP cost depending on the level of the spell. Probably something on the order of 5xp per spell level per casting. Either that or removing them outright for game balance. I put them on the wiki specifically to help with the hobgoblin stalemate of last year, but I'm concerned this class of spells is fucking up my christmas without checks on it. Of course, my concern in this regard is more about combat and summon spells and less about Feed the Masses, since every day you guys want to deal with Feed the Masses is essentially a day you're not doing anything else. And, since the food disappears after 24 hours anyway, you can either commit kimi to Feeding the Masses or Fighting, but not both without some difficulty. -gm

Detarame: /* OOC What to do next? */

2011-05-19T16:26:52Z

OOC What to do next?

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	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			: Also, don't forget War School spells are in the process of being errata'd to include a small XP cost depending on the level of the spell. Probably something on the order of 5xp per spell level per casting. Either that or removing them outright for game balance. I put them on the wiki specifically to help with the hobgoblin stalemate of last year, but I'm concerned this class of spells is fucking up my christmas without checks on it. Of course, my concern in this regard is more about combat and summon spells and less about Feed the Masses, since every day you guys want to deal with Feed the Masses is essentially a day you're not doing anything else. And, since the food disappears after 24 hours anyway, you can either commit kimi to Feeding the Masses or Fighting, but not both without some difficulty. -gm

Detarame at 16:12, 19 May 2011

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	: OOC getting Mose to do that was sort of Germ's plan. He thinks we should help the refugees--preferrably get them into the city. He also thinks we should start making more decisions ourselves and not wait for others to tell us what to do.		: OOC getting Mose to do that was sort of Germ's plan. He thinks we should help the refugees--preferrably get them into the city. He also thinks we should start making more decisions ourselves and not wait for others to tell us what to do.
	: I agree we should start figuring out what to ask the prisoners. Should we play the game where LE/Egg detect thoughts while Germ interviews? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		: I agree we should start figuring out what to ask the prisoners. Should we play the game where LE/Egg detect thoughts while Germ interviews? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
			:: FWiW - This may not have come up in game yet, but LE gave up her ability to detect thoughts. I don't know how to address any of that other stuff, or even if I'm supposed to? -gm

	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

Msallen: /* OOC What to do next? */

2011-05-19T15:52:45Z

OOC What to do next?

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	I was expecting our next steps were to interrogate (nicely) the clerics and then tell Naprid what we learn and about our success? Why the planning about what high-level task to do when we don't have enough info to decide yet? I'd assume more would fall out of that conversation than what we could plan for ourselves. Also, unless it's by design, we should be careful talking about refugee helping because Mose is going to jump on that like there's no other option available. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		I was expecting our next steps were to interrogate (nicely) the clerics and then tell Naprid what we learn and about our success? Why the planning about what high-level task to do when we don't have enough info to decide yet? I'd assume more would fall out of that conversation than what we could plan for ourselves. Also, unless it's by design, we should be careful talking about refugee helping because Mose is going to jump on that like there's no other option available. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			: OOC getting Mose to do that was sort of Germ's plan. He thinks we should help the refugees--preferrably get them into the city. He also thinks we should start making more decisions ourselves and not wait for others to tell us what to do.
			: I agree we should start figuring out what to ask the prisoners. Should we play the game where LE/Egg detect thoughts while Germ interviews? --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

Mattie: /* OOC What to do next? */ new section

2011-05-19T15:09:25Z

OOC What to do next?: new section

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	: Yeah, mattie has it. Egg knows something about LE's .... problem, but only because he was specifically instructed to dig more deeply into it. You can assume that anything that is "general knowledge," ie: most of the quest notes, he's already up to date about it. For anything kind of shameful or secret, I'm pretty sure G-man did not fill him in about that stuff, so unless a party member brings those things up (Kimi's early two facedness, etc.) he won't know anything about them. -gm		: Yeah, mattie has it. Egg knows something about LE's .... problem, but only because he was specifically instructed to dig more deeply into it. You can assume that anything that is "general knowledge," ie: most of the quest notes, he's already up to date about it. For anything kind of shameful or secret, I'm pretty sure G-man did not fill him in about that stuff, so unless a party member brings those things up (Kimi's early two facedness, etc.) he won't know anything about them. -gm
	:: That's right in terms of what Egg knows. He knows a bit about LE's situation because I wanted him to figure out how our transfer of Arrasti's funds to the Travellers' Temple was blocked. Or, if he has been digging into any of your backgrounds, I've instructed him to be very secreteve about it, which is the same for all practical purposes ;) --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		:: That's right in terms of what Egg knows. He knows a bit about LE's situation because I wanted him to figure out how our transfer of Arrasti's funds to the Travellers' Temple was blocked. Or, if he has been digging into any of your backgrounds, I've instructed him to be very secreteve about it, which is the same for all practical purposes ;) --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

			== OOC What to do next? ==

			I was expecting our next steps were to interrogate (nicely) the clerics and then tell Naprid what we learn and about our success? Why the planning about what high-level task to do when we don't have enough info to decide yet? I'd assume more would fall out of that conversation than what we could plan for ourselves. Also, unless it's by design, we should be careful talking about refugee helping because Mose is going to jump on that like there's no other option available. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

			Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

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	:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
	::::: Thanks for pointing that out in the main page--I missed it somehow here. Kimmy doesn't have the right moral standing to be generally useful to me, but she'll definitely be able to help this time! --[[Special:Contributions/146.127.253.45\|146.127.253.45]]		::::: Thanks for pointing that out in the main page--I missed it somehow here. Kimmy doesn't have the right moral standing to be generally useful to me, but she'll definitely be able to help this time! --[[Special:Contributions/146.127.253.45\|146.127.253.45]]
			:::::: You'll have to wait till her spells reset to do that, but otherwise not a problem. She currently has <i>Identify</i> as her prepared 2nd level domain spell. -gm

	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

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	::: :( I'm sorry to hear that. I was getting all excited about this plan I had where Germain steers the detainee's thoughts while LE reads their mind. Egg needs to get some telepathy spells stat. Otherwise, no, nothing for GM to do here untill we start questioning. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		::: :( I'm sorry to hear that. I was getting all excited about this plan I had where Germain steers the detainee's thoughts while LE reads their mind. Egg needs to get some telepathy spells stat. Otherwise, no, nothing for GM to do here untill we start questioning. --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]
	:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		:::: Kimika has Detect Thoughts from the Knowledge domain, by the way, and she's no fan of those clerics. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]
			::::: Thanks for pointing that out in the main page--I missed it somehow here. Kimmy doesn't have the right moral standing to be generally useful to me, but she'll definitely be able to help this time! --[[Special:Contributions/146.127.253.45\|146.127.253.45]]

	Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]		Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

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	: Yeah, mattie has it. Egg knows something about LE's .... problem, but only because he was specifically instructed to dig more deeply into it. You can assume that anything that is "general knowledge," ie: most of the quest notes, he's already up to date about it. For anything kind of shameful or secret, I'm pretty sure G-man did not fill him in about that stuff, so unless a party member brings those things up (Kimi's early two facedness, etc.) he won't know anything about them. -gm		: Yeah, mattie has it. Egg knows something about LE's .... problem, but only because he was specifically instructed to dig more deeply into it. You can assume that anything that is "general knowledge," ie: most of the quest notes, he's already up to date about it. For anything kind of shameful or secret, I'm pretty sure G-man did not fill him in about that stuff, so unless a party member brings those things up (Kimi's early two facedness, etc.) he won't know anything about them. -gm
	:: That's right in terms of what Egg knows. He knows a bit about LE's situation because I wanted him to figure out how our transfer of Arrasti's funds to the Travellers' Temple was blocked. Or, if he has been digging into any of your backgrounds, I've instructed him to be very secreteve about it, which is the same for all practical purposes ;) --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]		:: That's right in terms of what Egg knows. He knows a bit about LE's situation because I wanted him to figure out how our transfer of Arrasti's funds to the Travellers' Temple was blocked. Or, if he has been digging into any of your backgrounds, I've instructed him to be very secreteve about it, which is the same for all practical purposes ;) --[[User:Msallen\|Msallen]]

			== OOC What to do next? ==

			I was expecting our next steps were to interrogate (nicely) the clerics and then tell Naprid what we learn and about our success? Why the planning about what high-level task to do when we don't have enough info to decide yet? I'd assume more would fall out of that conversation than what we could plan for ourselves. Also, unless it's by design, we should be careful talking about refugee helping because Mose is going to jump on that like there's no other option available. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]

			Also don't forget that for feeding frenzies, Kimika and Hadriarch could feed a huge number of refugees with [[Feed the Masses]]. -[[User:Mattie\|Mattie]]