Talk:Halfling Breeds

Might want to provide full stat blocks for these dogs instead. There are two dog entries in the MM, one for a normal dog, and the other for a riding dog. The riding dog has +1 hit dice and +2 strength compared to the normal one. This could cause some confusion. --Msallen 11:47, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

Added more clarification, but I don't want to start putting up creatures until we have a template. --Detarame

Then lets make a template? --Msallen 17:41, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

I thought about these and I'm a little on the fence about these is that +1 HD is pretty big. It makes a riding dog more physically powerful than a light warhorse, which seems a little dramatic. What do you think of these bonuses?

• Riding: MM riding dog +2 str, +2 con, +10 speed
• Draft: MM riding dog +2 str, +4 con, endurance (or +4 str and no endurance?)
• Tracking: MM normal dog +4 wisdom, +2 int, +6 survival (gives them +8 extra survival for tracking, +2 to spot and listen, and 6th level divine spells)

--Msallen 21:45, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

I agree with you that +1 HD is too big, but not sure that enormous bonuses to stats are the way to go. I'd rather just give them the Alertness Feat and +8 to survival and scent (which is double from regular dogs). +2 STR and CON and the endurance feat is probably good enough for the draft dog, and the war dog really needs to be stronger more than anything: a lightly armored halfling and probably 6-8 lances, plus any gear, while still only being encumbered such that he can move freely. +4 STR would be 86 pounds, which would be like a 50 pound halfling and 30 pounds of gear, which is reasonable enough. I do agree the +1 HD is too much, however, even put into perspective. -m

I think your calculation neglects the fact that quadrupeds carry more for their size than bipeds. A 17 ST dog can carry 1.5x86 in a light load, which is 129 lbs. Considering that 17 ST is stronger than a light warhorse, that's probably a bit much. 14 or 15 will give 87 and 99 lbs, respectively, and one of those is probably enough. That should be the very highest, too, because that's just for a light load--having a fully armored rider be a medium load is probably very reasonable. Consider that Kib had to pay premium price to get a horse that could carry his big ass at a light load even without wearing armor, even though Kib, at ~200 pounds, is even on the light side for a beef-eating hunk of Odessan warmeat. -Slitherrr

Jones made you buy a special horse that was capable of carrying you while you were wearing medium armor? --Msallen

He didn't make me buy the horse, he just gave me a price for the horse I wanted (light warhorse with ST + 2). -Slitherrr

-I agree. -gm

And, yes, a Halfling Tracker is probably available around Wydmoor. There are a couple of significant boat halfling settlements in and around the city, which means significant numbers of road halflings come through, as well. Convincing a trainer or breeder to sell one to a human - a little more difficult. (6th Level Divine Spells??) -m

Revisiting halfling breeds, assuming the riding and draft dogs now work on the Riding Dog[1] base, the +1 to attribute is just as good. -gm

The MM dog is at 15 to this riding dog's 14. Everything else looks the same, although there's a +1 to BaB and Jump on this version of the riding dog that I can't account for. -Slitherrr