Difference between revisions of "Talk:Grapple Cheat Sheet"

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I noticed you didn't copy the full 3 pages of instructions. Just an FYI: grappling is generally regarded (even by WotC) as the most cumbersome, confusing, and poorly designed system in the world of 3.5e. It's probably better to just have Jones make up a new system or use the 4e rules. --Msallen

Tome has a version, too, although I don't know if it needs other optional Tome rules to tie in (like Edge and whatnot). In any case, all of this information is already on the wiki at Combat_Quick_Reference#Grapple. -Slitherrr

The pathfinder version is probably also worth using instead of 3.5. They simplified it a good bit too. --Msallen

If someone with skin in the game wants to come up with some streamlined grapple rules, I'm down.

Also, until you get a Dark Sun game into at least an alpha state, I don't wanna hear FOUR POINT OH any more outta you. -gm

No one wants to *play* dark sun though! I can barely keep up with our one game now that we play every 2 weeks, so the thought of starting a second in parallel is no fun :( This plan was way better when it was a game for n-2 nights. --Msallen

From the tome

Grapple

Grapple is collectively 3 separate maneuvers that all fall under the super-heading of \grappling". Any grapple attempt provokes an attack of opportunity unless your attack has the edge.

Grab On

Sometimes, you want to attach yourself to a larger creature, getting inside their reach and then repeatedly stabbing them or simply weighing them down. As an attack action you may attempt to grab on to an opponent. Grabbing on to an opponent provokes an attack of opportunity and requires a check with the same bonuses as a melee attack. The DC to grab on to an opponent is their Touch AC plus their BAB. If you have 5 ranks of Climb or Ride, you get a +2 synergy bonus on this maneuver for each skill. Holding on: Once you've attached yourself to your opponent, you go wherever they go. Move in to their space, and move where they do automatically (this movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity or count against your movement in any way). You may attack with any light or one handed weapon, and your opponent is denied his Dexterity bonus against you.

Being Held on to: If another creature has grabbed on to your character, their weight counts against your carrying capacity. If you're overloaded, you may be unable to move or even collapse until you shake your opponent off. You can attempt to attack a creature holding on to you, but your strength modifier is halved for such attacks and your attacks are at -4. You may attempt to shake your opponent off as an attack action by making a check with a bonus equal to your melee attack or Escape Artist and a DC of 10 + the greatest of your opponent's BAB, Climb Ranks, or Ride Ranks.

Edge Options [ed: this is from the bonus 'Edge' rules, so won't apply to us. I should note here, however, that Edge is a pretty good idea.]: If you have the edge on an opponent when you grab them, they may not attack you at all once you have grabbed on to them. Further, grabbing on to an opponent does not provoke an attack of opportunity.

Hold Down

Sometimes you want to pin an opponent to the ground. First, make a touch attack. Then, make a Grapple Check (BAB + Strength Modifier + Special Size Modifier) with a DC of 10 + Defender's Grapple Check Modifier. If you succeed, your opponent is pinned for one round. They can't move, and you may put ropes or manacles on them if you wish with an attack action. At the end of any turn you are pinning your opponent, you may in inflict unarmed or constriction damage. With subsequent attack actions, you may attack with natural weapons or light weapons with no penalty.

Escaping a Pin: If you're pinned you can attempt to fight back, but you're prone and you suffer an additional -4 penalty to attack the creature pinning you (generally a -8 total penalty to attack your attacker). You can get out with an attack action by making a Grapple or Escape Artist check with a DC of 10 + your opponent's Grapple Modifier.

Edge Options: If you're pinning an opponent and your attacks have the edge, your opponent cannot attack you or anyone else until they get free. Furthermore, if anyone else attacks them, they are considered helpless.

Lift

Sometimes you want to put an opponent in your mouth or carry away a struggling princess. Make a touch attack and then make a Grapple Check with a DC equal to 10 + your opponent's Grapple modifier. If you succeed, your opponent is hefted into the air. You may move around freely while carrying your opponent (their weight counts against your limits of course). You may perform a coup de grace or swallow whole action on a character you have lifted, but doing so ends the lift whether it succeeds or fails.

Escaping a Lift: When you've been lifted, you cannot move under your own power, but you can continue to attack. Attacks against the creature which has lifted you are at a -4 penalty. You can also attempt to escape with an attack action by making a Grapple or Escape Artist check with a DC of 10 + your opponent's Grapple Modifier.

Edge Options: If you have the edge on an opponent you have lifted, they may not attack you or anyone else until they escape