Talk:The Azure Geese

Oops, stats start at 8 with a point buy system here. Gotta redo some shit :( --Msallen

What is this mess? Egg already recruited your six followers out of the refugee camps? -gm

Speaking of nonsense - doesn't it seem a little ODD that your flunkies have *way* better stats than the cohort or even the party? Not even Sayid got 36 points.

I think those PCs got 36 or 38 actually. I looked through my old character sheets the other night and found his 2nd ed version right before the conversion--you should see the stat bloat! Once I can scan it, I'll post it here :) --Msallen

Learn to count.

Your punishment - your first level 2 follower shall be a minor, displaced ARISTOCRAT. -gm

Ok! --Msallen

I'm sure you'll make the best of it. -gm

Also, what's up with a follower having a hero array and a PC level? -Slitherrr

Damn you, you sent me an email telling me to make 6 24-point characters with the following classes: 2x professional, 2x fighter, 2x rogue. Its not my fault that pills and liquor have addled your brain and you can't remember what's going on anymore! --Msallen

Haha, I agree. Though, in fact, it was probably the booze that made me say PC classes.

In fact, I was actually confused because I made a post to the wiki last night that didn't seem to take where I said Cohort = PC Class; Follower = NPC class. Just take the same point buy, and make them Warriors & Experts, but probably not adepts or aristocrats. This actually shouldn't screw up your plans and party too much.

In fact, I *do* appreciate not having to come up with personalities and such. -gm

Yeah, these are easy to manage as NPC classes. Can I have one adept? --Msallen

I didn't think it would really mess up your plans too much. And, yes, you may have a single shaman OR adept, but not both. -gm

So, tl'dr - I thought I had made a post about this last night, but it seems not to have saved. Boo.

The only thing not covered somewhere else by now, especially relevant after today -> I think the arguments about "simulationism" have merit, but are not exactly totally aligned with each other. The weight and coin problem, for example, I agree isn't worth really losing sleep over when you're talking about the few dozen coin you pick up off random pushovers. That is wallet money and probably gets cashed up or down without much hassle at various inns. However, at some point, I consider a score large enough that it transcends petty accounting legalism and becomes a legitimate "logistics puzzle" of its own. When you're talking about something like a dragon horde, for example, that has a great amount of mixed coin and armor loot, there's no reason to think the party can just whisk away everything, and so sorting out the opportunity costs of the initial grab become a de facto challenge all its own. Additionally, in terms of armor and equipment, keeping track of weights becomes a game balance issue in addition to an accounting one: it's hardly fair that someone like you, or helen, or trav, or Sarah should be able to lug around as much stuff as someone who bought up to 16 strength. Now, the bag of holding helps, but at the end of the day I think items with non-negligible weight and/or bulk like weapons, armor, shields, pianos, or animal companions need to be tracked versus encumbrance. Not only to make sure that the 8 strength bard isn't walking around with three sorts of armor and 6 types of weapon. Nitpicking is one thing, but the trade off quandaries provided by encumbrance are a wide enough gaming value and expectation that they appear across the board, from roguelikes, to cRPGs to tabletop. We're not talking material components for spells here or tracking every torch, some of these are reasonable thinks to track the encumbrance of. -gm

Your email made me think I was going to get a map update! :P

I drew some more rivers, but I didn't make huge progress. Still, at this point, I think I only have to do the waterways in the northeast then I'm done with them for a while. --Msallen

I look forward to seeing the breakdown when you have 128 first level followers.

I think a handful of examples will be sufficient! --Msallen

Well, I also assume (other than your 2nd level punitive aristocrat), when you get higher level followers, it'll just be this original stable of "favorites" advancing, and lower level nobodies replacing them. Kind of like being in on the ground floor of a startup. It also means that Kib's buddy can at least have ambitions up to 5th or 6th level as an extra. Heh. -gm

Uldern

Good Alexandria, Kib has GOT to get to Wydmoor. -Slitherrr

It's great here! Look out for vampires and lizard men! --74.68.100.149

I was kind of proud of that connection, I hope Kib isn't too disappointed in his childhood friend's inability to acquire a "real" class. -gm

I audited him slightly to be more in line with his attributes. If he was a PC class, I would envision him as a fighter primary, professional secondary like Quinn. --Msallen

It's ok, if he ever became a cohort or anything, the PC levels would replace his NPC levels. -Slitherrr

The Name

Its not official yet, I just put it here because that's what it is going to be. I'll announce it to my men with ceremony and probably some symbolic banners/jewelery/branding when I decide its the best time to do so. --Msallen

If you drive off the siege, you can expect to be awarded with some sort of official recognition and entitlement, giving you the rights to such and boosting that reputation bonus to +2. -gm