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[http://turing.bard.edu/~mk561/frank_k_0.5.1.pdf] : A pretty awesome .pdf that .... some guys? .... put together. It's a LOT of crazy rule shit only good for the simulationist, but the chapters on economy and other races are phenomenal. Came out from the MeFi post about Lore's comic. (Which needs to start updating again.) -gm
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Test test UPGRADE TO MEDIAWIKI 1.26 -[[User:Slitherrr|slitherrr]] ([[User talk:Slitherrr|talk]])
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: By which I mean major sections of this are going to become canon over the Christmas holidays. Starting with languages.
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:: Holy fuck, the bit about the Aboleth in the "Empirinomicon" section is AWESOME. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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::: After reading it, and then reading our own language section, our treatment is pretty close to the one in the ''TOME OF NECROMANCY,'' etc. etc. that you linked. We gloss over the Servitor languages, but we've also sufficiently hand-waved that into a question of cultural ignorance rather than canonical laziness. The only major changes I saw fit to add were to add regional qualifiers to some of Kib's languages (there are probably also other characters who need audits, notably Germain), and some more explanatory text on the [[Languages]] and [[List of Languages]] pages. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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:::: Well, not a full on rules change, but more of a codification of flavor, but not going all the way into the million dialects flavor. The more I think about it, though, the less attractive it comes. I think we're in a pretty good place, happy medium wise. The Aboleth, yes, has become one of my favorite creatures literally overnight. Anyway, with the languages, I guess I liked the Pidgin and Creole discussions enough to want to incorporate them. In face, a lot of the langauges (the ones that end in -i, coincidentally, including Ubrekti itself) are Creoles that developed from regional dialects and Old Ubrekti. The ones with -n endings (Petaran, Odessan, Petaran) are from ethic groups powerful enough to have retained their own language (like, say, Greek.) I like what you've added, having just read it, and think we're on the same page.In fact, you've done a better job that I was even imagining - i actually wrote that bit about Pigin and Creole BEFORE I read your edit. (I'm reading them all and doing one big edit to not accidentally erase half of the talk page, like I have a .... history of.) Halfling, of course, just learned Ubrekti in the same way that, say, the Etruscans eventually just abandoned their native tongue for Latin.  -gm
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:::: One Eratta: As to the Lizard Men... If anyone cared enough to actually pay any attention to them, I think they'd find that Ssel'it has amazingly little variance to none at all. I wrote a little sentence as a hint that I had to strike for being too spoilerly, but suffice it to say there is a reason for the uniformity and it makes sense. Hint: Lizardman Racial Class is Druid. Hmmmmmmm.
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:::: Also down with renaming. I've actually gotten into the spoke habit of referring to the language and the people of the dwarves as Gilden. Because, I mean, Gilden Home. It's not rocket science. Gnomish, OTOH, I hadn't really thought about in those terms. Hmmmm. -gm
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::::: Reading a few more changes it, I see we are once again on the same page. Time for me to Secret Page this bitch. (Another trick I learned from this book!) -gm
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Also - it's a shame Daniel hates retconning so much. Those artisan rules would be right up his alley. -gm
 
  
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I have to say, I really like the stuff in the Economicon. I'm going to even put in some possible changes in a section on Kib's character sheet in case you end up integrating all/most of it. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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[[Table: Social Skills]]
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: I really LOVE all the -micon section. Whoever the hell these two are, have put a lot of really awesome though into HOW a truly fantastical, hero-based setting would operate and the long term ramification of some of the weirdo stuff tossed into D&D. (Like the Aboleth ability, or the Sahuagin) There is one part, somewhere, where the point is made that the analogue for D&D isn't the "middle ages" at all. Small patches of civilization surrounded by frightening wilderness? Small bands of heroes toppling empires? That's not Chaucer, that's fucking HOMER. D&D is an iron age mindset in medieval clothing. I read that part and was like "Holy shit, that's what *I've* always thought. These guys get it*. And then I looked up and it was bedtime and I'd read like half the document. If you haven't gotten to the part about aristocrats and heroes, I laughed out loud through it. Amazing work. -gm
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:: Quite. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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::: The tone of loving mockery makes it very readable. It's like Aristotle and Lao-Tzu got together and answered every D&D argument that ever arose over mountain dew, pizza, hootch, and/or weed. <i>There you go! Now that we’re all on the same page(page XX)</i>-gm
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Man, you guys need to hurry up and get to, like, 14th level. -gm
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I have forgotten how to edit the side menu, if anyone could remind me, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to add some things to getting started : Feats, for starters. Accepting suggestions for other things to add/remove. -gm
 
  
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:[[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 15:17, 1 December 2009 (EST)
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:Also, maybe stick the reference stuff on the main page up there for easy access. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 15:01, 2 December 2009 (EST)
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:: Well, that's kind of a discussion I was hoping to spur - what sort of ref material, internal or external, is good to bring together? -gm
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::: I specifically meant the "Useful Stuff" header--"Combat Reference" being what I was thinking of when I said "Reference Material".  Other than that, I dunno.  Maybe achievements? -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 22:12, 2 December 2009 (EST)
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I'm about to have a looooooong stretch of sitting on my ass, which is normally a good time for new content 'round here. Any suggestions or ideas about what to focus on? -gm
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[[Silverwalkers Quest Notes 2011-05-22]]
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: Pfft. I know you... you're too much like me. You're just going to spend a month playing PS3 and taking pills again ;)
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: First things first: add to the sidebar! -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 12:23, 11 December 2009 (EST)
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:: I can put that on the list, sure! -gm
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I actually know RCBs name and class, but I'll let him make his own introductions. 6-8 months of gaming and finally an injection of new blood. I look forward to finally having some acrimony and arguments! ;) -gm
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Stolen from a comment in the RPS forums about Crusader Kings II, but handy nonetheless.  
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: I guessed you knew, I just put it that way so it would fit the format. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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: These also kind of mix up gender and title rules, since you could easily have a queen in an agnatic-cognatic primogeniture system.  
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: Honestly, its horrifying how quickly MeFight progresses. They must be sick with agreement. Disgusting. --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]
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:: Maybe your group just needs a strong father figure to sort itself out. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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Methods of Successsion in CKII
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::: Yeah, they're more like Party of Five. -gm
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:Seniority (oldest man in the dynasty succeeds)
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::: We already have 2 or 3... I can't imagine more would help. After 10-15 years playing together, we've learned that the dysFUNctional party is the most fun! --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]
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:Primogeniture (oldest son succeeds)
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:::: For certain values of "fun." You'll take the MeFighter's out of my cold, dead hands! Or, to be fair, out of their own dead hands, since they're Risk Analysis Metrics are all fucked up. -gm
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:Elective (the current king and the dukes each nominate a successor)
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::::: Dude, how did you just kill your OWN edit? -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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:Gavelkind (all titles are divided among the sons of the ruler)
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::::: Also, our risk analysis isn't so bad. The poor guardsdwarves who attacked Swingin' Dan and the Professor probably don't think so, I suppose, but we still handled that fight pretty well despite that. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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:Turkish (a succession crisis is almost guaranteed, but the vassals are content)
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:::::: How many times has Thed or Thoven have wandered off alone and only survived due to a single lucky die roll. -gm
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:Republican (a random vassal or courtier succeeds; used for republics, etc)
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::::::: Yeeeah, they kind of have that habit. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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:Catholic Bishopric (the liege lord can override the Pope’s choice by nominating his own successor)
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:::::::: And there was maybe that time the ranger decided to go bow to bow with the +2 ranger... thankfully I was in a tree and it was a two-weapon ranger else I might not have had that 1 hp that I met the group with. :-P -[[User:Feantari|Feantari]]
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:: WTH did this come from? Kim, is this your doing? Excellent! After three-digit hours in CKII, I think I'm ready to lay out the dynastic trees and traditions of the Mainland. -gm
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::::::::: Well, FWIW, unless you got killed falling out of the tree, you probably would not have been killed and just would have met the party a different way. ;) -gm
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:: To know this in game would obviously take Knowledge: Nobility ranks. Time to make that shit useful!
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::: Human Governance
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:: Odessa = agnatic-cognatic primogeniture 
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:: Celstia = agnatic seniority (Overchief selected by chieftains of the 37 clans)
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:: Fresia = agnatic elective (Princes and Dukes elect Emperor)
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:: Flannary = agnatic primogeniture
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:: Ubrekt = agnatic-cognatic seniority (The King and the Senate are of different ethnic groups, although there has been not insubstantial mixing since then)
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:: Alexia = agnatic-cognatic elective (Cities elect a Doge every 10 years)
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:: Hakan = Parliamentary Republic (Speaker for the Gnomes selected from among the [[Paggebedalon]]) 
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Monte Cook says the point of 3/3.5 is to reward "system mastery." AKA Min/Max.[http://www.montecook.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?mc_los_142]
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: That's why I like it! --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]
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:: As a board licensed and certified "Systems Master," that's not a complaint. [[User:Detarame|absalom]] 12:09, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
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::: I just hate that D&D is what everyone is exposed to, so it's the most likely system to ever have any players. I really don't like it as a system. -slith
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:::: Meh, all those other games have weaknessess too. I've played lots of other games, but I always end up back to D&D. There is just something so pure and wholesome about it ;) --[[User:Msallen|Msallen]]
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On Friday, Planet Money had a good podcast about Medieval economies.  
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Does FGII on the GM side save all the profile pictures of characters? I'd like to stick the rest of Gnob's Folly in templates, because they're all too lazy to do it. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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: Yes, it does.
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:: Pretty please to be posting them somewhere :D -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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:::I don't know what you are talking about >.> <.< -[[User:Feantari|Feantari]]
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::::: I never did this, did I? In my defense, it was never put on the talk page. -gm
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:::::: B-b-but...this is the talk page. -slith
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:::::::MY talk page, the one that throws up ugly yellow banners. ;) -gm
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While we're on the subject, what is the Mainland's interaction with the spell ''Planar Binding''? The whole subject of the Planes is pretty fuzzy on this wiki, but obviously there is some sort of interaction, if Thoven's Flame Disciple class is to have any real meaning. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]
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: Did I ever answer this? I ought to! The mainland exists on one of the prime materials, but is partitioned from the outer planes by the Planar Veil (or one of its many other names). It has unimpeded access to the Elemental planes, as well as the demi- and quasi-elemental planes. The Ethereal, Astral and demi-Shadow planes, as well. Access to or from the Outer Planes is blocked, but I still allow the Summon Monsters to whip up the listed demons, arguing that they could simply be remnants of the Dark Lord's hosts shattered in the various cataclysmic wars trapped on the above listed planes.  
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[http://code.google.com/p/awesometome/downloads/list Tomes]
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Cleared out tons of stuff we weren't paying attention to anymore. Also, evidently some Russian SEO slipped through without us noticing. It's gone now. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 19:13, 21 February 2011 (EST)

Latest revision as of 01:09, 12 January 2016

Test test UPGRADE TO MEDIAWIKI 1.26 -slitherrr (talk)


Table: Social Skills


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Silverwalkers Quest Notes 2011-05-22

Stolen from a comment in the RPS forums about Crusader Kings II, but handy nonetheless.

These also kind of mix up gender and title rules, since you could easily have a queen in an agnatic-cognatic primogeniture system.

Methods of Successsion in CKII

Seniority (oldest man in the dynasty succeeds)
Primogeniture (oldest son succeeds)
Elective (the current king and the dukes each nominate a successor)
Gavelkind (all titles are divided among the sons of the ruler)
Turkish (a succession crisis is almost guaranteed, but the vassals are content)
Republican (a random vassal or courtier succeeds; used for republics, etc)
Catholic Bishopric (the liege lord can override the Pope’s choice by nominating his own successor)
WTH did this come from? Kim, is this your doing? Excellent! After three-digit hours in CKII, I think I'm ready to lay out the dynastic trees and traditions of the Mainland. -gm
To know this in game would obviously take Knowledge: Nobility ranks. Time to make that shit useful!
Human Governance
Odessa = agnatic-cognatic primogeniture
Celstia = agnatic seniority (Overchief selected by chieftains of the 37 clans)
Fresia = agnatic elective (Princes and Dukes elect Emperor)
Flannary = agnatic primogeniture
Ubrekt = agnatic-cognatic seniority (The King and the Senate are of different ethnic groups, although there has been not insubstantial mixing since then)
Alexia = agnatic-cognatic elective (Cities elect a Doge every 10 years)
Demihuman Governance
Hakan = Parliamentary Republic (Speaker for the Gnomes selected from among the Paggebedalon)
Gildenhome = agnatic elective (Thanes elect the Arch-Thane)


Monte Cook says the point of 3/3.5 is to reward "system mastery." AKA Min/Max.[1]

That's why I like it! --Msallen
As a board licensed and certified "Systems Master," that's not a complaint. absalom 12:09, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
I just hate that D&D is what everyone is exposed to, so it's the most likely system to ever have any players. I really don't like it as a system. -slith
Meh, all those other games have weaknessess too. I've played lots of other games, but I always end up back to D&D. There is just something so pure and wholesome about it ;) --Msallen

On Friday, Planet Money had a good podcast about Medieval economies.

Does FGII on the GM side save all the profile pictures of characters? I'd like to stick the rest of Gnob's Folly in templates, because they're all too lazy to do it. -Slitherrr

Yes, it does.
Pretty please to be posting them somewhere :D -Slitherrr
I don't know what you are talking about >.> <.< -Feantari
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I never did this, did I? In my defense, it was never put on the talk page. -gm
B-b-but...this is the talk page. -slith
MY talk page, the one that throws up ugly yellow banners. ;) -gm

While we're on the subject, what is the Mainland's interaction with the spell Planar Binding? The whole subject of the Planes is pretty fuzzy on this wiki, but obviously there is some sort of interaction, if Thoven's Flame Disciple class is to have any real meaning. -Slitherrr

Did I ever answer this? I ought to! The mainland exists on one of the prime materials, but is partitioned from the outer planes by the Planar Veil (or one of its many other names). It has unimpeded access to the Elemental planes, as well as the demi- and quasi-elemental planes. The Ethereal, Astral and demi-Shadow planes, as well. Access to or from the Outer Planes is blocked, but I still allow the Summon Monsters to whip up the listed demons, arguing that they could simply be remnants of the Dark Lord's hosts shattered in the various cataclysmic wars trapped on the above listed planes.

Tomes

Cleared out tons of stuff we weren't paying attention to anymore. Also, evidently some Russian SEO slipped through without us noticing. It's gone now. -Slitherrr 19:13, 21 February 2011 (EST)

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